Dragonborn10 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Have you people watched Orton play? He has sucked every game except against the Jets. Let EJ play. Orton is just so limited. He is not that much more accurate than EJ. The season is over. It was over when they lost to KC. Let EJ play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 If we put EJ in now there is no chance Orton comes back to Buffalo next year CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 "Kyle Orton gives us the best chance to win" Bahahahahahaha!! translation: we know orton sucks, but EJ is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikef272002 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I don't care if we're eliminated from playoffs, still have a chance, or what not... If I'm Marrone I start EJ and tell it like it is... "We're starting EJ because Orton makes $5million a year and can't even dive forward for a first down when the season is on the line... EJ at the very least will give this team his heart on his sleeve and play like it"... But ya they both suck, so play the one who sucks but has heart.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Have you people watched Orton play? He has sucked every game except against the Jets. Let EJ play. Orton is just so limited. He is not that much more accurate than EJ. The season is over. It was over when they lost to KC. Let EJ play. Except that it isn't and wasn't and coaches can't play it any other way. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 translation: we know orton sucks, but EJ is worse. IS he really though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) translation: we know orton sucks, but EJ is worse. See, sir, thats why im laughing. Because he is not worse. EJ was .500 Kyle is .500. It was foolish to go with Orton. Shouldve let EJ develop his chemistry and timing with the recivers. And pick up the speed of the game. But NOOOOOO, we had to have Orton come in with his stick of false hope. And you all fell for it hook line and sinker. Orton does not, nor ever did give us the best chance to win. Our best chance to win is with EJ and this young burgeoning wide reciever corps of ours. Edited December 8, 2014 by mastershake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Disagree. Keep EJ on the bench and let him compete in the off season. This is Orton's show at the moment and it doesn't do EJ any good to have to come in only to be ridiculed if he doesn't immediately rally them to three wins in a row. And I certainly don't want him playing in a "run for the bus" game, either. He needs to play meaningful games surrounded by teammates with meaningful expectations. GO BILLS!!! What's the downside for EJ? If it is exposing his weaknesses then so be. The only way he is going to develop is to play. If he struggles and a crescendo of criticism materializes then so what? That is the nature of being a qb at any level. He should be able to handle the pressure in playing the last three games of the season without having it scar him for next season's preparation. Even if he falters and the natives get restless the more he plays before next season the better he will be prepared for next season. Are there risks playing him? Yes. The coaching staff has to make the determination as to whether he is ready or whether at this point he simply can't handle starting. If it is the latter case then it certainly doesn't bode well that he will be capable enough to compete for playing time next year. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 If we put EJ in now there is no chance Orton comes back to Buffalo next year CBF Win win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivermont Mike Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) translation: we know orton sucks, but EJ is worse. Back that up with facts. Four of 14 first-round QBs in the past five years are successful. Here are their first-year stats (or first 15 or 16 games) and a comparison to EJ (from nfl.com): Stafford - 13 games 1st and 2nd years: 19 TD/21 INT Newton - 16 games 1st year: 21 TD/17 INT Luck - 16 games 1st year: 23 TD/18 INT Tannehill - 16 games 1st year: 12 TD/13 INT EJ Manuel - 15 games 1st and 2nd years: 16 TD/12 INT So, maybe EJ is not the answer. But what if he needs just a bit more time to develop? Your impatience with the Bills not going to the playoffs has nothing to do with the right or wrong way to develop a quarterback. Orton's numbers are 14/7 for this year (http://www.nfl.com/p...444/careerstats). He's a veteran. So how do these numbers demonstrate that EJ is worse than Orton--or any of the successful 1st round picks, for that matter? EDIT: GO BILLS!!!!!!! Edited December 8, 2014 by Rivermont Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 If we asked the players, themselves, who do people think they would want starting against the Packers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) If we asked the players, themselves, who do people think they would want starting against the Packers? It dosent matter. Whether EJ or Orton starts the next 3 games, we will go 1-2. I dont know who the hecks gonna dispute that Edited December 8, 2014 by mastershake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 It dosent matter. Whether EJ or Orton starts the next 3 games, we will go 1-2. I dont know who the hecks gonna dispute that I'm not surprised that you didn't answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 See, sir, thats why im laughing. Because he is not worse. EJ was .500 Kyle is .500. It was foolish to go with Orton. Shouldve let EJ develop his chemistry and timing with the recivers. And pick up the speed of the game. But NOOOOOO, we had to have Orton come in with his stick of false hope. And you all fell for it hook line and sinker. Orton does not, nor ever did give us the best chance to win. Our best chance to win is with EJ and this young burgeoning wide reciever corps of ours. Kyle is .500? I thought we were 7-6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 What's the downside for EJ? If it is exposing his weaknesses then so be. The only way he is going to develop is to play. If he struggles and a crescendo of criticism materializes then so what? That is the nature of being a qb at any level. He should be able to handle the pressure in playing the last three games of the season without having it scar him for next season's preparation. Even if he falters and the natives get restless the more he plays before next season the better he will be prepared for next season. Are there risks playing him? Yes. The coaching staff has to make the determination as to whether he is ready or whether at this point he simply can't handle starting. If it is the latter case then it certainly doesn't bode well that he will be capable enough to compete for playing time next year. . The coaching staff has to weigh the benefits vs. the drawbacks. Is there a reasonable expectation that Manuel will lead us to three straight wins? No. Is there a reasonable expectation that Manuel will achieve meaningful developmental strides in "run for the bus" games? No. Is there a reasonable expectation that if Manuel DOESN'T win the last three that the fans will blame him for not getting us to the playoffs? Yes. The coaching staff stands to learn more about EJ Manuel's future after another full offseason and whether or not he wins the job back in a legitimate competition, than it does the last three games this year. It's just the continuation of the plan that should have played out like this last year. And lastly, in spite of his performances, Kyle Orton deserves the opportunity to see if he can get this team to 10 wins, especially while they're still mathematically alive, long shot though it may be. This is his team, not EJ's at the moment. EJ can wait until next year. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I'm not surprised that you didn't answer the question. Fine. 53% in favor of EJ, 47% in favor of Kyle. Kyle is .500? I thought we were 7-6? Do u sense 8-8 coming or is it just me. Yeah, sure. Ortons offense is gonna outsore Aaron Rodgers offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 The coaching staff has to weigh the benefits vs. the drawbacks. Is there a reasonable expectation that Manuel will lead us to three straight wins? No. Is there a reasonable expectation that Manuel will achieve meaningful developmental strides in "run for the bus" games? No. Is there a reasonable expectation that if Manuel DOESN'T win the last three that the fans will blame him for not getting us to the playoffs? Yes. The coaching staff stands to learn more about EJ Manuel's future after another full offseason and whether or not he wins the job back in a legitimate competition, than it does the last three games this year. It's just the continuation of the plan that should have played out like this last year. And lastly, in spite of his performances, Kyle Orton deserves the opportunity to see if he can get this team to 10 wins, especially while they're still mathematically alive, long shot though it may be. This is his team, not EJ's at the moment. EJ can wait until next year. GO BILLS!!! This makes as much sense as anything I've read on this thread thus far. Although, in the words of Clint Eastwood, "'deserve's' got nothin' to do with it." Fine. 53% in favor of EJ, 47% in favor of Kyle. Do u sense 8-8 coming or is it just me. Yeah, sure. Ortons offense is gonna outsore Aaron Rodgers offense. I highly doubt that. But, perhaps a better question would be: who do you think the wide receiver corp would prefer? If you still think it would be a slight margin for EJ, then I'm going to suggest you have a memory deficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Watching Orton try and scramble is like watching Burt Reynolds in the last 20 seconds of the original longest yard. At least EJ gives us that weapon of having to use a LBer to spy. It would be great if he could read a flipping defense though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Watching Orton try and scramble is like watching Burt Reynolds in the last 20 seconds of the original longest yard. At least EJ gives us that weapon of having to use a LBer to spy. It would be great if he could read a flipping defense though. Watching Orton try to scramble is like watching Chandler trying to run after a catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) This makes as much sense as anything I've read on this thread thus far. Although, in the words of Clint Eastwood, "'deserve's' got nothin' to do with it." I highly doubt that. But, perhaps a better question would be: who do you think the wide receiver corp would prefer? If you still think it would be a slight margin for EJ, then I'm going to suggest you have a memory deficiency. If you asked the recivers, theyde say idgaf! Whoever can get me the damn ball in stride. Orton has not been doin Sammy or Woods any favors lately Edited December 8, 2014 by mastershake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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