Misconceptions about Terry Pegula

[fridge]

 

Are you simple? He literally just bought a 1.4 billion dollar business so I for one will allow for a grace period before making any major decisions. I don't doubt that Doug is on his way out but to act like he should have already fired him is pretty awful.

 

When did I say that he should have already been fired? I just said your analogy was bad. If that makes me simple, fine.

[BackInDaDay]

we want the world, and we want it now.

[Who is Yuri?]

Well, Mr. OP, if you think that Pegula can't bring in a highly sought after big name coach to set things right, then you must be forgetting Ron Rolston. And Ted Nolan.

 

And if you think that Pegula won't be able to re-sign Dareus, Hughes, Aaron Williams, and others, than you must be forgetting the magic he worked on Pominville, Vanek, and Miller.

 

So what makes you so sure, Mr. OP, that the Bills won't be winning the whole shebang next year, if the Sabres are any indication? Our hockey team is practically assured of four Stanley Cup in the next five years. Haven't you seen the projections? Do you know nothing about astrology? Because if you don't understand those things, then you just don't understand anything, and I shouldn't have even bumped your lousy thread.

[TheFunPolice]

Pegula has owned the team for a month

 

Some people are just miserable

 

 

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

Completely different situations. Sabres were on a decline when he took over. As much as it might not seem this way in the past few games, Bills are on the upswing.

[1B4IDie]

Well, Mr. OP, if you think that Pegula can't bring in a highly sought after big name coach to set things right, then you must be forgetting Ron Rolston. And Ted Nolan.

 

And if you think that Pegula won't be able to re-sign Dareus, Hughes, Aaron Williams, and others, than you must be forgetting the magic he worked on Pominville, Vanek, and Miller.

 

So what makes you so sure, Mr. OP, that the Bills won't be winning the whole shebang next year, if the Sabres are any indication? Our hockey team is practically assured of four Stanley Cup in the next five years. Haven't you seen the projections? Do you know nothing about astrology? Because if you don't understand those things, then you just don't understand anything, and I shouldn't have even bumped your lousy thread.

Thank you for reminding me of what a complete uninformed buffoon I am.

 

Pegula did kill the BuffaSlug maybe he can kill Billy Buffalo and end this wretched curse!

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

Thank you for reminding me of what a complete uninformed buffoon I am.

 

Pegula did kill the BuffaSlug maybe he can kill Billy Buffalo and end this wretched curse!

He also brought back Ted Nolan, maybe he can bring back Wade Phillips and break his curse. Doug Flutie as QB coach?

[rumblefish]

talk about cutting a fella off at the knees, give the guy a break, Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was Syracuse(Three Stooges)

If he's smart he will climb into Robert Kraft's back pocket and learn how to build a winning team

[1B4IDie]

talk about cutting a fella off at the knees, give the guy a break, Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was Syracuse(Three Stooges)

If he's smart he will climb into Robert Kraft's back pocket and learn how to build a winning team

Get lucky with a 6th round QB, and give him zero quality tools to throw to or run?

[rumblefish]

comments like yours why so serious, is what "chaps " us the most, jump off the wagon anytime you choose, but in reality we believe you and other malcontents couldn't do better, as momma used to say "if you can't say anything good, than don't say anything at all"

[John from Riverside]

I truly am not understanding the Pegula hate

 

Christ he just bought the team

[rumblefish]

Flutie's first BB training camp appearance was at Fredonia State he waked to the locker room like all the other rookies and free agents, vets had golf carts

[1B4IDie]

comments like yours why so serious, is what "chaps " us the most, jump off the wagon anytime you choose, but in reality we believe you and other malcontents couldn't do better, as momma used to say "if you can't say anything good, than don't say anything at all"

Cool Story, Bro.

I truly am not understanding the Pegula hate

 

Christ he just bought the team

Where is there hate?

Edited November 19, 2014 by Why So Serious?

[Manther]

 

 

Wrong on nearly every account. Bills have pretty decent talent for a change, but haven't turned the corner due to coaching and QB play. I can make a very strong argument that with better coaching of the offense, this team is in control of its destiny for a playoff spot this year. There's no reason they won't be competitive next year either, especially if they keep the defensive core intact and seriously address the offensive woes.,

 

A big reason the Bills have perennially sucked was due to the organization and management structure that Wilson put together. I don't think that Bills will have any problems recruiting top coaching talent anymore, and you won't have mythical roster and coaching meddling from Ft Lauderdale.

Agreed!

 

 

 

It is but it is also pretty crazy what the OP is expecting (although honestly he may not realize it)

 

Look this what we should want from a new owner

 

- Hire the BEST AVAILABLE coaches, talent evaluators, and training staff

- Make sure FOOTBALL people are making the decisions and not having to answer to bean counters

- Make sure those people have the best available tools....whatever that may be

- Make sure that money is not an issue when it comes to getting talent right up to the salary cap.....none of this cash to crap stuff

- Then......get the hell out of the way

 

If you want Pegula to be effective....this is what you want

Agreed and it is what I want!

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

16 years of no playoffs isn't bad outright. if there is a plan in place but again there is no Pegula dust.

We are stuck in the Mud and Pegula just pulled up in a limo and is looking at the situation. There is still no plan to get out of the rut and it is silly to think it's just magically going to be better next year.

 

Pegula bought the Sabres and let it play out. They made the playoffs and he decided to go all in with that team and front office. They came back and sucked so he fired everyone brought in a hockey person and let him work through the painstaking task of a complete rebuild. Not a single person has said he will snap his fingers and make this better except for you. People are excited about Pegula because he is keeping the team in Buffalo and he has shown a willingness to do what is necessary to improve an organization. The "plan" that you refer to is to let this season play out and re-evaluate the organization. Expecting some sweeping change and sudden competitiveness which I believe you refer as "Pegula dust" was never something any sane person claimed to believe in.

 

That is your opinion. The quality of the product and the sale of the product are very rarely linked. The best technology doesn't win the market if that were true why are there so many windows machines?

How is the on ice quality of the Sabres?

Oh yeah, just wait until the win the #1 or #2 pick by tanking then like maybe in 2019 they will be a force.

 

The rebuild is almost complete for the Sabres. Once they get the 1 or 2 pick (please let it be 1) they will have a generational talent and the turnaround at the NHL will be rapid. They will be exciting and compete for the playoffs immediately following next year's draft. Your arbitrary starting point of 2019 is ridiculous and you clearly don't follow hockey. Yes, some of the prospects will bust but they have a glut so if even 25% of their top guys pan out this will be a very good team for many many years.

 

Hockey teams have to be torn down when you lack impact talent much like baseball teams have to go through. I write for 2 websites covering baseball and scouting prospects and I happen to be a diehard Cubs fan. The educated Cubs fan knew that Theo Epstein had to gut the organization, experience epically bad teams to setup the brightest future in baseball. The Cubs are now a couple starting pitchers from competing for their division and setting up for a decade plus of good baseball with championship aspirations, so it's time for them to spend the necessary money and stop selling the hope from the last 3 years.

 

In football, if you have the right coach and a good QB you can compete right away despite your other shortcomings. Guess what? Those two situations cannot be remedied overnight especially when the team is purchased mid-season, so your agenda is to simply say "They bought the team a month ago why the hell isn't everything better?!?!?!" and stomping your fit in a juvenile fit. The "Pegula dust" will come in the form of money which will allow them to at least be in the market for top flight coaches. Whaley traded away the first pick next year (before Pegula bought the team mind you) so a significant change isn't going to happen there right away because NOBODY is going to trade a QB capable of fixing an offense because they don't grow on trees. Your lack of understanding the difference between fixing a hockey organization and a football organization is breathtaking, and right now I can't believe I spent the last 5 minutes trying to explain it to you because your agenda will be unwavering. In the end, if you think Pegula is going to just sit back and let the status quo continue then why the hell are you still a fan of the team? It makes no sense and you should probably spend your Sundays doing something different.

[1B4IDie]

 

so your agenda is to simply say "They bought the team a month ago why the hell isn't everything better?!?!?!" and stomping your fit in a juvenile fit.

 

This is not my agenda. Zero of my posts have any attitude like this. If one were to read my posts zero of the posts make any reference to a demand for a short turnaround. This is an assumption you are making based on zero of my source material. It is an incorrect assumption.

 

 

Whaley traded away the first pick next year (before Pegula bought the team mind you) so a significant change isn't going to happen there right away because NOBODY is going to trade a QB capable of fixing an offense because they don't grow on trees. Your lack of understanding the difference between fixing a hockey organization and a football organization is breathtaking, and right now I can't believe I spent the last 5 minutes trying to explain it to you because your agenda will be unwavering. In the end, if you think Pegula is going to just sit back and let the status quo continue then why the hell are you still a fan of the team? It makes no sense and you should probably spend your Sundays doing something different.

 

My point is simple The Bills are in for a long rebuild this will not be a quick turnaround. Which it seems like you agree based on your post.

 

There are many many many many posters that believe Pegula will somehow turn the Bills around in the short term.

 

I see no evidence of a shot term turnaround happening, yet people are under the misconception that Bills on the field product is going to magically improve simply because Pegula bought the Bills.

Edited November 19, 2014 by Why So Serious?

[CodeMonkey]

The rebuild is almost complete for the Sabres. Once they get the 1 or 2 pick (please let it be 1) they will have a generational talent and the turnaround at the NHL will be rapid. They will be exciting and compete for the playoffs immediately following next year's draft.

 

I agree about the talent stockpiling. But in hockey draft picks very rarely start contributing as quickly as you are predicting. Most will spend a few years in the juniors and/or the AHL, then have their rookie seasons up at the NHL level, THEN be ready to contribute. Even the two most promising kids, Zadarov and Ristolainen, who I predict will have very good NHL careers based on what they have shown so far, should not be playing in the NHL right now. They should be in the development leagues and are only up at the Sabres because of how badly the Sabres suck right now. Though they beat the Sharks last night for the 2nd time this season, and soundly ... go figure.

 

I agree the Sabres are on the right path regarding growing their own talent, I'm not sold entirely on Ted Nolan yet but we will see. However I think next year is probably 2 years anyway too soon to expect a strong team.

Edited November 19, 2014 by CodeMonkey

[1B4IDie]

I agree about the talent stockpiling. But in hockey draft picks very rarely start contributing as quickly as you are predicting. Most will spend a few years in the juniors and/or the AHL, then have their rookie seasons up at the NHL level, THEN be ready to contribute. Even the two most promising kids, Zadarov and Ristolainen, who I predict will have very good NHL careers based on what they have shown so far, should not be playing in the NHL right now. They should be in the development leagues and are only up at the Sabres because of how badly the Sabres suck right now. Though they beat the Sharks last night for the 2nd time this season, and soundly ... go figure.

 

I agree the Sabres are on the right path regarding growing their own talent, I'm not sold entirely on Ted Nolan yet but we will see. However I think next year is probably 2 years anyway too soon to expect a strong team.

Thank you

I was not going to argue the point but the way I see it is best case scenario:

 

2014-2015 - Worst team in the league

2015 - 2016 - "Learning how to win as a team" season: maybe new coach maybe some youngsters contributing, might sneak into 8th seed

2016 - 2017 - Solid Playoff team (4-6 seed)

2017 - 2018 - Eastern Conference Top dog maybe Cup Contender

2018 - 2019 - Solid Cup contender

 

2019 is not "ridiculous" it is actually a more realistic timeline for when the Sabres farm systems contributes to making the Sabres a Cup contender in the NHL.

Edited November 19, 2014 by Why So Serious?

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

I agree about the talent stockpiling. But in hockey draft picks very rarely start contributing as quickly as you are predicting. Most will spend a few years in the juniors and/or the AHL, then have their rookie seasons up at the NHL level, THEN be ready to contribute. Even the two most promising kids, Zadarov and Ristolainen, who I predict will have very good NHL careers based on what they have shown so far, should not be playing in the NHL right now. They should be in the development leagues and are only up at the Sabres because of how badly the Sabres suck right now. Though they beat the Sharks last night for the 2nd time this season, and soundly ... go figure.

 

I agree the Sabres are on the right path regarding growing their own talent, I'm not sold entirely on Ted Nolan yet but we will see. However I think next year is probably 2 years anyway too soon to expect a strong team.

Thank you

I was not going to argue the point but the way I see it is best case scenario:

 

2014-2015 - Worst team in the league

2015 - 2016 - "Learning how to win as a team" season: maybe new coach maybe some youngsters contributing, might sneak into 8th seed

2016 - 2017 - Solid Playoff team (4-6 seed)

2017 - 2018 - Eastern Conference Top dog maybe Cup Contender

2018 - 2019 - Solid Cup contender

 

2019 is not "ridiculous" it is actually a more realistic timeline for when the Sabres farm systems contributes to making the Sabres a Cup contender in the NHL.

 

If McDavid and Eichel are as good as they have been tabbed this is all wrong. Crosby took the Penguins from bottom feeders to division champs in a season. If they don't get either of those guys then yes the rebuild will go into 2019. The Sabres have talent that is ready to play in the NHL sitting in Rochester it's not like this is the beginning of the rebuild.

 

You haven't outright stated your agenda but you won't move off this ridiculous "Pegula Dust" argument you're making and it's annoying. This thread served no purpose.

[1B4IDie]

 

 

If McDavid and Eichel are as good as they have been tabbed this is all wrong. Crosby took the Penguins from bottom feeders to division champs in a season. If they don't get either of those guys then yes the rebuild will go into 2019. The Sabres have talent that is ready to play in the NHL sitting in Rochester it's not like this is the beginning of the rebuild.

 

You haven't outright stated your agenda but you won't move off this ridiculous "Pegula Dust" argument you're making and it's annoying. This thread served no purpose.

I have stated it.

Try reading it.