dubs Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) He lays low in the weeds during wins and comes out full force during losses - you know, like your 7yr old kid does. Hopefully he'll be quiet as a mouse again after the bills beat the dolphins Thursday. Hah. There was plenty of blame to go around this week. I tend to cut players a little more slack than coaches because when 250lb beasts are running 4.5 40s and trying to kill you, it's easy to make a mistake here and there. Coaches on the other hand....not so much. On Marrone: 4th and 1 - run the QB sneak 1st and 10 from the 15 - if you know you're going to not kick a FG, then why not tell you're QB and coordinator to get a few yards each down. Instead 4 straight passes to the end zone makes no sense. Even if we scored, we leave KC plenty of time to respond. Edited November 10, 2014 by dubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 "We want EJ back!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Orton is a poor mans Flutie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Did you see what I had in italics? but he is not who lost us that game That is from your post ... so you DID say some of it. I added that he didn't do enough to WIN the game for the Bills Keep Trolling Except it's not from my post. All of a sudden your accusations of spreading lies are starting to make sense. Orton is a poor mans Flutie Probably the dumbest comparison I've seen maybe ever, but I'll consider the source. Edited November 10, 2014 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Orton and Flutie? A guy who cannot move and one who could. Maybe you meant they are both male. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Orton and Flutie? A guy who cannot move and one who could. Maybe you meant they are both male. Well, they both have brown hair too, so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Orton didn't lose us that game. He didn't win us that game. He didn't have a great game, but he also didn't have a bad game, imo. EJ wasn't getting it done early in the season. KO has been an improvement. KO isn't an all pro. KO isn't a hall of famer. KO isn't going to carry a team to the Superbowl. KO is the best QB we have on the team, though. So yeah, I'll "troll" with that opinion all I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 "We want EJ back!" I just spit coffee all over my keyboard....THANKS.....lol Musketeer #2 Musketeer #3 why, yes I did but he is not who lost us that game, yet he is not the one who WON us that game either. Orton give the Bills the best chance to win. IS soooo not true. You are just being silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Well, they both have brown hair too, so there's that. And the Bills would never go anywhere with either one, Flutie gets you 10 wins a season, Orton gets you eight. The book is written on Orton, its still yet to be written on EJ. Id rather take my chances with the unknown than the known, but i guess for alot of you guys 8-8, would be a victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Did anyone think Orton was really gonna take us anywhere? And theres a thread for this b/c he missed the throws. Now that "experiment"was a real fun couple of weeks but can we please get back to the kids development now? When the Bills lose again and are out of playoff contention, then maybe. Orton has been head and shoulders better than EJ and as long as there is the remotest chance of making the playoff, Orton is and should be the starting QB. Now can we please stop the nonsense about benching Orton and bringing in the kid that has no clue how to play QB in the NFL yet? Orton is not Peyton Manning, but he is by far better than EJ. He had a bad day, get over it. Orton didn't lose us that game. He didn't win us that game. He didn't have a great game, but he also didn't have a bad game, imo. EJ wasn't getting it done early in the season. KO has been an improvement. KO isn't an all pro. KO isn't a hall of famer. KO isn't going to carry a team to the Superbowl. KO is the best QB we have on the team, though. So yeah, I'll "troll" with that opinion all I want. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 And the Bills would never go anywhere with either one, Flutie gets you 10 wins a season, Orton gets you eight. The book is written on Orton, its still yet to be written on EJ. Id rather take my chances with the unknown than the known, but i guess for alot of you guys 8-8, would be a victory You would be in the minority with that....thank god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Even if we're out of contention I'd rather let Orton play the rest of the season to see if he remains consistent and continues to build chemistry with the receivers. EJ shouldn't be considered a viable option as a starter until year after next, and even then only if he earns it in camp. You're not doing him any favors by throwing him back out there before he's ready, and he's a ways away from ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 And the Bills would never go anywhere with either one, Flutie gets you 10 wins a season, Orton gets you eight. The book is written on Orton, its still yet to be written on EJ. Id rather take my chances with the unknown than the known, but i guess for alot of you guys 8-8, would be a victory If the Bills are out of playoff contention, then certainly you might entertain the idea of switching back to Manuel. Doing it because he's an "unknown" is a terrible reason, though. If he shows improvement in practice, then yeah, maybe give him another shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) And the Bills would never go anywhere with either one, Flutie gets you 10 wins a season, Orton gets you eight. The book is written on Orton, its still yet to be written on EJ. Id rather take my chances with the unknown than the known, but i guess for alot of you guys 8-8, would be a victory I agree.Nothing against Orton but this team as a whole is not good enough to be a playoff team. Never were. I'd rather have EJ playing and getting experience. Many on this board have already decided that he sucks. I haven't and I know others haven't. I ridiculous defense of Orton is more about a hatred for EJ than a true liking or Orton. Orton is a 31 year old journeyman. He is what he is. He's Ryan Fitzpatrick or Kelly Holcomb. The Bills should be developing EJ. The problem is that Marrone and Whalley are trying to get to 8-8 to try to save their jobs. They are playing for the short term rather than doing what is in the long term interest of the Bills. And don't try to tell me that Orton is far superior to EJ. It just isn't true. Is he better, ABSOLUTELY. He has 10 years of experience. He should be better. Does he have upside, NO. Does EJ have upside, I believe he does. Many here don't. EJ was 2-2 as s starter this year. Orton is 3-2. I believe EJ would have the same record as Orton although I have no way of proving that. At worst, I think EJ would be 2-3. This is strictly my opinion. I'm not arguing that EJ is better than Orton right now. I'm saying that we are not talking about benching Peyton Manning and playing EJ. Orton is fine, he's just not good enough. He showed it yesterday. Lots of chances to win the game and he choked. Bad decisions, locked onto covered receivers, bad throws, stands in the pocket like a statue. Cannot get any yards at all when scrambling. 0-4 in the redzone. Marrone talked about "production at the position" as the reason to bench EJ. Well, he's not getting that with Orton. Edited November 10, 2014 by Maddog69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 You would be in the minority with that....thank god Yeah yeah yeah, i fully do realize that. I honestly do think Orton sucks though. Im just havin a little fun shakin the Kyle Orton nuthuggin bandwagon. Im pissed about the low score at home with great field position all game. and the three missed passes on the last drive when we could have won the game. For the record, i did not want them to start manuel at the begining of last season, i wanted them to start Kolb, and let EJ sit and learn, but it did not work out that way. Now since they had to play him, i feel like at this point just shouldve left him in there because i dont think Orton is going to get us any more wins than EJ would. So why bother with the best backup in the league starting and fooling you into thinking playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) You are just being silly yes, I'm being an . it came from weeks of being misquoted. Edited November 10, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The bottom line is this: despite what happened earlier in the game, Orton had chances to win it, but failed. This was after a bye, at home, and in a huge game. The season isn't over, but I'm not as high on Orton as I was. At best I can say that he has the experience EJ lacks, to overcome Hackett. But that's probably not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 EJ should be cut after this season. He will never be an NFL QB. Its like using a broken tool in your toolbox, always the same results. The tool slips and you smash your knuckles. Sorry but Manuel is broken, replace him. Yeah, not gonna happen, no matter how much you wish for. EJ will have another chance to prove himself, this year or the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) And the Bills would never go anywhere with either one, Flutie gets you 10 wins a season, Orton gets you eight. The book is written on Orton, its still yet to be written on EJ. Id rather take my chances with the unknown than the known, but i guess for alot of you guys 8-8, would be a victory > The book is written on Orton, its still yet to be written on EJ. The first few chapters of EJ's book have been written. He lacks throwing accuracy (a poor man's Fitzpatrick), almost always looks for the check-down (Trent Edwards), can't process information quickly (Losman), and lacks pocket awareness (a hint of Rob Johnson). You could say, give him time to develop, maybe he'll improve. Except that he didn't display strength in any of those areas back in college. The idea that he'll drastically improve is based on a triumph of hope over disciplined thinking. Edited November 11, 2014 by Orton's Arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 > The book is written on Orton, its still yet to be written on EJ. The first few chapters of EJ's book have been written. He lacks throwing accuracy (a poor man's Fitzpatrick), almost always looks for the check-down (Trent Edwards), can't process information quickly (Losman), and lacks pocket awareness (a hint of Rob Johnson). You could say, give him time to develop, maybe he'll improve. Except that he didn't display strength in any of those areas back in college. The idea that he'll drastically improve is based on a triumph of hope over disciplined thinking. B-b-but EJ has sat on the bench now…..he's going to come back even more awesome! Then we can make more excuses for his inability to hit the broad side of a barn. How quickly people forget there was a freaking locker room mutiny about to happen if EJ started another game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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