BRAWNDO Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Here is a positive stat Scott Hanson @ScottHanson 4m4 minutes ago The QB with the best completion percentage (82.1%) on 3rd down is...... Kyle Orton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Here is a positive stat Scott Hanson @ScottHanson 4m4 minutes ago The QB with the best completion percentage (82.1%) on 3rd down is...... Kyle Orton. What percentage of that translates to successful conversions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) What percentage of that translates to successful conversions? First four games: 4-12, 5-15, 6-14, 5-16 (35.1% - Would put us at 28th in league) Last three games: 5-16, 8-15, 4-12 (39.5% - Would put us at 21st in league) Edited October 24, 2014 by Dorkington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Here is a positive stat Scott Hanson @ScottHanson 4m4 minutes ago The QB with the best completion percentage (82.1%) on 3rd down is...... Kyle Orton. This is how bad it's gotten for me: If I see a bad stat I think "well, we stink". A good stat and I think "well, the law of averages is going to catch up with us". It's very sad. I really like our talent... for the most part. Has anyone mentioned yet we're a little weak at guard and an Andrew Luck type would be helpful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 First four games: 4-12, 5-15, 6-14, 5-16 (35.1% - Would put us at 28th in league) Last three games: 5-16, 8-15, 4-12 (39.5% - Would put us at 21st in league) Thanks for that. Much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 One by one the people on here who were questioning the move are fading into oblivion, save for Bills fan 4 ever of course. He's like your crazy uncle at Thanksgiving this year who will still be talking about Benghazi. Let's hope that trend continues after Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 It's kinda funny, there's one side that's basically "Well, Orton is the better option right now, even though he's not great" and the other side painting that as "omg you LOVE Orton". He's a better option right now, but dear god, no one is claiming he's a top 10 QB. Just what we had was pretty bad, at the beginning of this year, even mediocre is an improvement.* So many extreme viewpoints. * EJ could still develop, this isn't the end of his career yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 * EJ could still develop, this isn't the end of his career yet. Let us all hope he goes on to fantastic things. In Buffalo. I love his character. It could happen. (But I won't bet the farm.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 This is how bad it's gotten for me: If I see a bad stat I think "well, we stink". A good stat and I think "well, the law of averages is going to catch up with us". It's very sad. I really like our talent... for the most part. Has anyone mentioned yet we're a little weak at guard and an Andrew Luck type would be helpful? fix the guard postion before he QB gets killed. Go Kraig Urbik ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 One by one the people on here who were questioning the move are fading into oblivion, save for Bills fan 4 ever of course. He's like your crazy uncle at Thanksgiving this year who will still be talking about Benghazi. Let's hope that trend continues after Sunday. Orton is a clear improvement. Bengazi was a tragedy of inept leadership that cost American lives. No need to be flip about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Orton is a clear improvement. Bengazi was a tragedy of inept leadership that cost American lives. No need to be flip about that. Thank you for posting that. I was going to but would have got banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norton20 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The Bills are throwing more because they can't run the ball effectively. This is not difficult to figure out. Not due to anything defenses are doing like " stacking the box" blah blah blah. The O line is not athletic at the Guard position, greatly hampering the run game. NH obviously trusts Orton more than Manuel throwing the football. So that is what he is doing. The games we won with EJ were somewhat of an anomaly. You just aren't going to win many games in the NFL barely throwing for 200 yards. It's not like the Bills were tearing it up on the ground. Amen. Weak guard play has been a killer. They'd throw better if they ran better. Play action might actually work. Cant do it with this line nor does it pass protect real well either (Orton's status as a statue of Blesoeian proportion notwithstanding). At least Orton will wait for a play to develop and can throw, with reasonable accuracy, passes into the middle of the field and sideline throws over 10 yards. It helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Thank you for posting that. I was going to but would have got banned. if you play nice with others long enough those points could go away., and avoiding the ppp helps with that Edited October 24, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 A couple years ago, plenty of posters on this board were actively dismissing the Guard position. Crickets now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 One by one the people on here who were questioning the move are fading into oblivion, save for Bills fan 4 ever of course. He's like your crazy uncle at Thanksgiving this year who will still be talking about Benghazi. Let's hope that trend continues after Sunday. I love you too man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) A couple years ago, plenty of posters on this board were actively dismissing the Guard position. Crickets now. Yea, no kidding. They are a dime a dozen...they can be easily found in the later rounds...never draft a guard in the first round...you can always move a tackle to guard. I want to hire Marv Levy to punch Buddy Nix in the face. I think that goober is still on the payroll as an adviser, and still giving bad advice! EDIT: well, to be honest there are still some gray matter lacking individuals pushing that same agenda.... The 6-1 Dallas Cowboys are loving their first round OG, and this year have a brutal ground game. Plus, look to be protecting QB Tony Romo so much better this year. Then there are the San Diego Chargers who made the playoffs last year with their 2013 first round pick at OG. Oh, and the Colts drafted O line in the 2nd round this year because they traded away that first for Richardson, and they are doing so much better on offense this year. Oh, and just because other teams draft bad O line players in the first round doesn't mean its not smart to do so. All it means is their talent evaluators aren't very good. Edited October 24, 2014 by FeartheLosing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Orton is a clear improvement. Bengazi was a tragedy of inept leadership that cost American lives. No need to be flip about that. How is that any different? The bad guy was a tall black dude who needed to be replaced by a boozy journeyman white guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 A couple years ago, plenty of posters on this board were actively dismissing the Guard position. Crickets now. Actually, nobody was actively dismissing the guard position. Many, however, were saying that it doesn't take a major FA investment or a high (1st or 2nd round) draft pick to find quality guards, and that's true. Looking around the league, the best guards tend to be mid-round picks. The guys drafted in the top 10 recently (Warmack, Cooper) are widely considered busts, while guys like Larry Warford, Clint Boling, Marshal Yanda, Gabe Jackson, etc. who were picked in the 3rd and 4th rounds have been very, very good. Now, other 1st round picks at the position (Zeitler, for instance) have turned out fine, so it's not as though taking a guard in round 1 is a death sentence per se. I think the over-arching point remains solid: there's no reason to spend premium draft picks or FA money on the guard position. That's a far cry from saying it (a) isn't important, and (b) doesn't need to be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 How is that any different? The bad guy was a tall black dude who needed to be replaced by a boozy journeyman white guy. OMG holy sh#& that was funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Listen dude, I don't love Kyle Orton. He is a mediocre, middling at best starting NFL QB. But he is a legitimate starting QB. Manuel was not. It's that simple. His first two starts were against excellent defenses. Against Minnesota, if Woods and Hogan both don't fumble in Minnesota territory, we win that game with more room to spare, our point total is more impressive and he doesn't have to conduct that game winning drive, which I can assure you, Manuel does not complete. Not to mention, the dude just showed up here and is still learning the offense. And above all else, you are constantly changing your tune. Last week, you're saying "I don't care about their stats (which have you looked at by the way? How is Orton's completion % ten points higher than EJ's when he is whizzing balls downfield to wide receivers and Manuel was making Trent Edwards look like Brett Favre), all I care about is wins. They're both .500." Now that Orton is 2-1, it's, "look at their sack totals." Hence, yes, you are the worst. True. At least Manuel is not at this stage of his career. No different than switching from Brandon Weeden to Hoyer, or Christian Ponder to Matt Cassell, or dare I say Case Keenum to Ryan Fitzpatrick ... ok, nevermind, I just destroyed my own argument. But you see where I was going .... the next step is going from Matt Cassell to, say, Alex Smith, or if you're really lucky, from Tarvaris Jackson to Matt Flynn (for a few minutes) straight to Russell Wilson. Edited October 24, 2014 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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