thewildrabbit Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 After 7 games the Bills offense still among the worst in the league. From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/14586/stat-check-bills-offense-still-among-worst POINTS SCORED Patriots: 7th (26.7) Dolphins: 11th (24.5) Bills: 27th (19.3) Jets: tied-28th (17.3) THIRD-DOWN OFFENSE Jets: 18th (41-of-101, 40.6 percent) Patriots: 21st (40-of-102, 39.2 percent) Dolphins: 23rd (29-of-76, 38.2 percent) Bills: 25th (37-of-100, 37 percent) RED ZONE OFFENSE (based on TD percentage) Patriots: 19th (13-of-24, 54.2 percent) Dolphins: 20th (15-of-28, 53.6 percent) Bills: 28th (10-of-24, 41.7 percent) Jets: tied-30th (9-of-22, 40.9 percent) I gotta admit I love Orton and his two game last minute drive heroics, (Detroit & Minnesota) and against the Vikings it was a TD pass with one second on the clock. Alas, Kyle Orton has been sacked 13 times in 3 games, and 6 of those were in the last game at home against Minnesota. 5 came against New England at home. Alarming huh? How long does he survive this season? Now the Bills go to NY where the Jets sacked EJ 8 times last year, yikes! The Bills are finally benching LG Cyril Richardson for Kraig Urbik. Yet Pears still stays at RG, and Henderson at RT. No idea why Chis Hairston hasn't gotten a look, as he graded in the green at his last stint as starting RT. I liken Doug Marrone in keeping Nathaniel Hackett as his OC again this year to Gailey keeping George Edwards as his DC after his failed first year. This year the Bills started out running more then passing against Chicago, Miami, and winning both. Then inexplicably started throwing it 40 times a game the last 5 games, and lost 3 of 5. All this passing started against the Chargers, and nearly got EJ killed against Houston. I sure hope the Bills change their tactics back to more runs then passes against the Jets. Then perhaps Orton might just live thru the game. GO Boobie! Go Buffalo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC2002 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 After 7 games the Bills offense still among the worst in the league. From ESPN: http://espn.go.com/b...ill-among-worst POINTS SCORED Patriots: 7th (26.7) Dolphins: 11th (24.5) Bills: 27th (19.3) Jets: tied-28th (17.3) THIRD-DOWN OFFENSE Jets: 18th (41-of-101, 40.6 percent) Patriots: 21st (40-of-102, 39.2 percent) Dolphins: 23rd (29-of-76, 38.2 percent) Bills: 25th (37-of-100, 37 percent) RED ZONE OFFENSE (based on TD percentage) Patriots: 19th (13-of-24, 54.2 percent) Dolphins: 20th (15-of-28, 53.6 percent) Bills: 28th (10-of-24, 41.7 percent) Jets: tied-30th (9-of-22, 40.9 percent) I gotta admit I love Orton and his two game last minute drive heroics, (Detroit & Minnesota) and against the Vikings it was a TD pass with one second on the clock. Alas, Kyle Orton has been sacked 13 times in 3 games, and 6 of those were in the last game at home against Minnesota. 5 came against New England at home. Alarming huh? How long does he survive this season? Now the Bills go to NY where the Jets sacked EJ 8 times last year, yikes! The Bills are finally benching LG Cyril Richardson for Kraig Urbik. Yet Pears still stays at RG, and Henderson at RT. No idea why Chis Hairston hasn't gotten a look, as he graded in the green at his last stint as starting RT. I liken Doug Marrone in keeping Nathaniel Hackett as his OC again this year to Gailey keeping George Edwards as his DC after his failed first year. This year the Bills started out running more then passing against Chicago, Miami, and winning both. Then inexplicably started throwing it 40 times a game the last 5 games, and lost 3 of 5. All this passing started against the Chargers, and nearly got EJ killed against Houston. I sure hope the Bills change their tactics back to more runs then passes against the Jets. Then perhaps Orton might just live thru the game. GO Boobie! Go Buffalo! I agree I think the bye is coming at a great time for us to iron out some kinks and to actually get some real practice time in . The last 3 games we are 20th in points scored (21. ppg) 17th in redzone off. (55%) 17th in 3rd down off. (36%) so we have improved over the last few weeks but after the bye we want to get into the top 12 . The run game has declined every week thats why they started going away from it and thats mainly has been because the line has struggled .With the line struggling you simply cannot afford to have a bunch of 3rd and longs as they cant provide protection consistently. So we have to pass to try to keep us in manageable situations and the are still struggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 You had to research it to know this? I hear synchronized swimming is a nice sport too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The stats dont lie. But, there is good reason why the increased passing and it makes sense!! The defenses they are against are stacking the box which makes it about impossible to run against. This will continue until the Bill can throw for 400 plus yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) still one of the worst in the league What an improvement KO has been. did they also mention sacks and turnovers? Edited October 23, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Well, if Rodak said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 still one of the worst in the league What an improvement KO has been. did they also mention sacks and turnovers? Uggh you are the worst. Yes, at the qb position he has been a monumental improvement. That is, if you believe the forward pass is an integral part of the game in 2014. I think the offensive line play has steadily regressed the last few weeks as well. And why can't you wrap your head around the concept that if you throw the ball downfield it results in interceptions from time to time. EJ threw 3 in 4 games, Orton 3 in 3. Considering Manuel's propensity to check down I'm surprised he even threw 3. If I was the bills qb on Sunday and my only task was to not turn the ball over, I could probably do it. That doesn't mean I give the bills a better chance to win than Kyle Orton. Why do I even bother. Until next time, when I stupidly respond to one of your predictably dumb posts in another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Bills seek to plug leaks, cut down on Orton’s sacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I also hope we go run heavy against the Jets awesome D line while avoiding their crippled secondary. PFF is gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) http://espn.go.com/n...f/buffalo-bills Uggh you are the worst. Yes, at the qb position he has been a monumental improvement. That is, if you believe the forward pass is an integral part of the game in 2014. I think the offensive line play has steadily regressed the last few weeks as well. And why can't you wrap your head around the concept that if you throw the ball downfield it results in interceptions from time to time. EJ threw 3 in 4 games, Orton 3 in 3. Considering Manuel's propensity to check down I'm surprised he even threw 3. If I was the bills qb on Sunday and my only task was to not turn the ball over, I could probably do it. That doesn't mean I give the bills a better chance to win than Kyle Orton. Why do I even bother. Until next time, when I stupidly respond to one of your predictably dumb posts in another thread. talk about uggh you are the worst ... you fail to grasp that concept that KO was to be noticeable improvement. Or monumental if you prefer I do not accept a fractional increase an improvement I already posted the 300+ YPG average passing yards of 3 or 4 QBs with LOSING records. I see you chose to ignore that. once again http://www.footballd...rd-passing.html How well are the teams for Gino and Cousins doing? a grand total of 1 win in the last 5 games In total 17 L's Did you also notice Brady has only 1 so far this season? Edited October 23, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC2002 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 http://espn.go.com/n...f/buffalo-bills talk about uggh you are the worst ... you fail to grasp that concept that KO was to be noticeable improvement. Or monumental if you prefer I do not accept a fractional increase an improvement I already posted the 300+ YPG average passing yards of 3 or 4 QBs with LOSING records. I see you chose to ignore that. We have seen noticeable improvement you are just in denial . What does posting the Qbs with losing records have to do with anything ? Its scary that you don't even realize how how crazy that sounds . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) another person in denial. the majority of the people who LOVE KO are saying that his biggest improvement over EJ is passing yards. 300 + Passing yards alone does not win games. what causes 300 + Passing yard QB's to lose games? TURNOVERS AND SACKS Edited October 23, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) another person in denial. the majority of the people who LOVE KO are saying that his biggest improvement over EJ is passing yards. 300 + Passing yards alone does not win games. what causes 300 + Passing yard QB's to lose games? TURNOVERS AND SACKS Listen dude, I don't love Kyle Orton. He is a mediocre, middling at best starting NFL QB. But he is a legitimate starting QB. Manuel was not. It's that simple. His first two starts were against excellent defenses. Against Minnesota, if Woods and Hogan both don't fumble in Minnesota territory, we win that game with more room to spare, our point total is more impressive and he doesn't have to conduct that game winning drive, which I can assure you, Manuel does not complete. Not to mention, the dude just showed up here and is still learning the offense. And above all else, you are constantly changing your tune. Last week, you're saying "I don't care about their stats (which have you looked at by the way? How is Orton's completion % ten points higher than EJ's when he is whizzing balls downfield to wide receivers and Manuel was making Trent Edwards look like Brett Favre), all I care about is wins. They're both .500." Now that Orton is 2-1, it's, "look at their sack totals." Hence, yes, you are the worst. Edited October 23, 2014 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Over the past 15 years in the wilderness, the one constant with the Buffalo Bills has been a pathetic, bumbling offense that completely crumbles against a good defense, especially on the road. This has been largely due to the Bills' consistent inability to assemble a reasonably competent offensive line and, of course, the FO's failure to draft or sign even a mediocre QB. The defenses over this period have generally been average to well above average (it's not that hard to assemble a good defense in the NFL), but they have been worn out by constantly trotting onto the field after endless series of three-and-outs by the offense, not to mention fighting poor field position. We are seeing this again this year and I don't know if it will ever change. Edited October 23, 2014 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The Bills are throwing more because they can't run the ball effectively. This is not difficult to figure out. Not due to anything defenses are doing like " stacking the box" blah blah blah. The O line is not athletic at the Guard position, greatly hampering the run game. NH obviously trusts Orton more than Manuel throwing the football. So that is what he is doing. The games we won with EJ were somewhat of an anomaly. You just aren't going to win many games in the NFL barely throwing for 200 yards. It's not like the Bills were tearing it up on the ground. But forget about the buzzwords like stacking the front. For example, I just saw an NFL live where Schlereth diagramed an Eagles run play. Guess what? It was vs a "stacked box" . And it worked to a T because their O line is excellent. Ours isn't. 3ypc for three downs doesn't move the chains. So we must throw. This will continue until we get better at run blocking. A " magic formula" for Bills wins when they run more than pass only works if you actually run effectively. Especially on first down, to get the O in some favorable down/ distance situations. Not sure what our avg YPC is on 1st down runs, but I'd be surprised if it was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 A good defense always travels well. If that echoes true then it's only a matter of time that our offense catches up and starts becoming more efficient in terms of production all around. I have faith in that happening after the bye-week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Rodhacks articles are the worst. Ever. Period I get what his mpoint is but we are a different team now then we were the first two weeks. That's the weeks we were scoring a lot. Now we have shown we can win ball games with little scoring and offense. Sunday will be a big day and I can see us opening the throttle up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 blame the OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The Bills are throwing more because they can't run the ball effectively. This is not difficult to figure out. Not due to anything defenses are doing like " stacking the box" blah blah blah. The O line is not athletic at the Guard position, greatly hampering the run game. NH obviously trusts Orton more than Manuel throwing the football. So that is what he is doing. The games we won with EJ were somewhat of an anomaly. You just aren't going to win many games in the NFL barely throwing for 200 yards. It's not like the Bills were tearing it up on the ground. But forget about the buzzwords like stacking the front. For example, I just saw an NFL live where Schlereth diagramed an Eagles run play. Guess what? It was vs a "stacked box" . And it worked to a T because their O line is excellent. Ours isn't. 3ypc for three downs doesn't move the chains. So we must throw. This will continue until we get better at run blocking. A " magic formula" for Bills wins when they run more than pass only works if you actually run effectively. Especially on first down, to get the O in some favorable down/ distance situations. Not sure what our avg YPC is on 1st down runs, but I'd be surprised if it was good. Im glad that watched a clip on NFL live breaking down a play where running against a stacked box worked. But if you think that a team can be successful running against a run defense regularly your nuts. If you were right teams would not need to audible out of plays based on the defense alignment. Teams are outright challenging the Bills to beat them through the air by putting a lining up in a defense that is improbable to be successful to run at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Listen dude, I don't love Kyle Orton. He is a mediocre, middling at best starting NFL QB. But he is a legitimate starting QB. Manuel was not. It's that simple. His first two starts were against excellent defenses. Against Minnesota, if Woods and Hogan both don't fumble in Minnesota territory, we win that game with more room to spare, our point total is more impressive and he doesn't have to conduct that game winning drive, which I can assure you, Manuel does not complete. Not to mention, the dude just showed up here and is still learning the offense. And above all else, you are constantly changing your tune. Last week, you're saying "I don't care about their stats (which have you looked at by the way? How is Orton's completion % ten points higher than EJ's when he is whizzing balls downfield to wide receivers and Manuel was making Trent Edwards look like Brett Favre), all I care about is wins. They're both .500." Now that Orton is 2-1, it's, "look at their sack totals." Hence, yes, you are the worst. Minnesota's D was ranked 7th going into last week. So, 3 excellent defenses to start. I also just can't imagine EJ leading the comeback drive last week. He doesn't read defenses well enough to get off the quick snap on that 4th and 20 and he certainly does not thread the needle with that throw. EJ is a hard worker, but Orton's veteran qualities are what we need right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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