truth on hold Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) The sentiment had been euphoric regarding this draft. But the way it's unfolding not looking so great: RD1: EJ Manuel - benched, may never start again RD2: Robert Woods - good WR, but ceiling is a solid #2 RD2: Kiko Alonso - great rookie year, IR this year with his 2nd ACL. Given his history of knee injuries, how much will he be healthy and on the field? (aka Robert Griffin) RD3: Marquise Goodwin - provides a little spark now and then but gets injured easily due to small size. All things considered, not much production out of a 3rd round pick RD4: Duke Williams - horrific on Sunday against Pats, he won't last without dramatic improvement RD5: Jonathon Meeks - didn't see much time last year, IR'd for 2014 RD6: Dustin Hopkins - cut RD7: Chris Gragg - Has some potential but unlikely anything more than buried in the depth chart Summary So at the moment what we got out of this was a solid #2 WR in Woods, a guy who occasionally catches a deep ball in Goodwin (too small and fragile to run shorter routes over the middle), and some depth at TE. The guys in the secondary I am writing off. If it stays that way it's a poor draft. My view is that EJ is most likely not going to start for any length of time again, which means the only way to salvage this draft into something borderline respectable is for Kiko to come back strong and stay healthy for a number of years. Edited October 15, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Grading a draft less than 2 years after it happened is always smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 You cannot write off Kiko. I repeat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 You cannot write off Kiko. I repeat... i didn't, but there are concerns. As you saw, my view is the only way to salvage that draft is for him to come back strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 You to remember that from 2010 through May of 2013, Whaley was a simple observer with no responsibility for any draft selections. Russ Brandon realize immediately after the 2013 draft that Nix needed to be forced to resign and Whaley promoted from his observers job to GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 i didn't, but there are concerns. As you saw, my view is the only way to salvage that draft is for him to come back strong. Yes, but look back at the picks made after EJ was there anyone that you think be more valuable? Toss in he looks to be the best QB of his class. I know some will point to Glennon but meh his record isn't all that great and wonder if he just piles up stats because the Bucs are in worse shape than the Bills. I wasn't a big Robert Woods fan going into the draft he's grown on me but one has to wonder would Keenan Allen be a better pick? I'm willing to bet Alonso comes back, he might not be elite next year as it usually takes a year or two for guys to full recover. I wasn't sold on Goodwin then and I'm not now. Duke Williams was bad Sunday but he's a backup and when he's asked to play that role he's been okay. Not sure why we took Meeks then. If Hopkins doesn't get hurt his rookie season I think he'd be kicking for us today. That said never waste a draft pick on a kicker. I'd love to see Gragg get more playing time. I'm not saying he'll be a starting TE but think he might be better than a 3rd stringer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipers Hair Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Grading a draft less than 2 years after it happened is always smart. - why not? To the posters point, a year ago, we were all slapping ass and high fixing with how great we had done... In the end, it'll be an average draft...made worse by the selection of EJ where we took him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 The sentiment had been euphoric regarding this draft. But the way it's unfolding not looking so great: RD1: EJ Manuel - benched, may never start again RD2: Robert Woods - good WR, but ceiling is a solid #2 RD2: Kiko Alonso - great rookie year, IR this year with his 2nd ACL. Given his history of knee injuries, how much will he be healthy and on the field? (aka Robert Griffin) RD3: Marquise Goodwin - provides a little spark now and then but gets injured easily due to small size. All things considered, not much production out of a 3rd round pick RD4: Duke Williams - horrific on Sunday against Pats, he won't last without dramatic improvement RD5: Jonathon Meeks - didn't see much time last year, IR'd for 2014 RD6: Dustin Hopkins - cut RD7: Chris Gragg - Has some potential but unlikely anything more than buried in the depth chart Summary So at the moment what we got out of this was a solid #2 WR in Woods, a guy who occasionally catches a deep ball in Goodwin (too small and fragile to run shorter routes over the middle), and some depth at TE. The guys in the secondary I am writing off. If it stays that way it's a poor draft. My view is that EJ is most likely not going to start for any length of time again, which means the only way to salvage this draft into something borderline respectable is for Kiko to come back strong and stay healthy for a number of years. Woods isn't physical enough to be a sold #2. Yes, but look back at the picks made after EJ was there anyone that you think be more valuable? Toss in he looks to be the best QB of his class. I know some will point to Glennon but meh his record isn't all that great and wonder if he just piles up stats because the Bucs are in worse shape than the Bills. I wasn't a big Robert Woods fan going into the draft he's grown on me but one has to wonder would Keenan Allen be a better pick? I'm willing to bet Alonso comes back, he might not be elite next year as it usually takes a year or two for guys to full recover. I wasn't sold on Goodwin then and I'm not now. Duke Williams was bad Sunday but he's a backup and when he's asked to play that role he's been okay. Not sure why we took Meeks then. If Hopkins doesn't get hurt his rookie season I think he'd be kicking for us today. That said never waste a draft pick on a kicker. I'd love to see Gragg get more playing time. I'm not saying he'll be a starting TE but think he might be better than a 3rd stringer. Keenan Allen for sure would've been better, but you can make that argument for every team. There are always sleepers who play well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Woods isn't physical enough to be a sold #2. Woods isn't "physical enough"? Robert Woods? Who plays for Buffalo? He plays very physical. His game reminds me of Michael Irvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Manuel - not touching this one with a 20' pole Woods - I like Woods. He seems to be the type that will have a 12 year NFL career even if not with the Bills. Coming in to it I just figured he'd be another USC WR. He has surprised me. Alonso - I need to see him adapt to the WLB role. I have some doubts about his ability to perform under the Schwartz. Goodwin - I wasn't sold on him then as a long term reliable WR. I am still not but believe he can find a place to contribute but not much. DWilliams - I would like to let him settle in a little more before commenting but I am not sure he is the right player for the system we play. Meeks - Seems like someone who could come in as a Dime player. Hopkins - didn't work out. Why would you ever draft a kicker not named Sebastian?! Gragg - just like all 7th rounders he is a project. Lets see if the glue will hold because I can't think we can work any more with this guy to put him together. He's either got to get it or get out. Yes, but look back at the picks made after EJ was there anyone that you think be more valuable? Toss in he looks to be the best QB of his class. I know some will point to Glennon but meh his record isn't all that great and wonder if he just piles up stats because the Bucs are in worse shape than the Bills. I wasn't a big Robert Woods fan going into the draft he's grown on me but one has to wonder would Keenan Allen be a better pick? I'm willing to bet Alonso comes back, he might not be elite next year as it usually takes a year or two for guys to full recover. I wasn't sold on Goodwin then and I'm not now. Duke Williams was bad Sunday but he's a backup and when he's asked to play that role he's been okay. Not sure why we took Meeks then. If Hopkins doesn't get hurt his rookie season I think he'd be kicking for us today. That said never waste a draft pick on a kicker. I'd love to see Gragg get more playing time. I'm not saying he'll be a starting TE but think he might be better than a 3rd stringer. I think this is a fair take. Woods isn't physical enough to be a sold #2. Bob Woods says to meet him outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Woods isn't "physical enough"? Robert Woods? Who plays for Buffalo? He plays very physical. His game reminds me of Michael Irvin. Manuel - not touching this one with a 20' pole Woods - I like Woods. He seems to be the type that will have a 12 year NFL career even if not with the Bills. Coming in to it I just figured he'd be another USC WR. He has surprised me. Alonso - I need to see him adapt to the WLB role. I have some doubts about his ability to perform under the Schwartz. Goodwin - I wasn't sold on him then as a long term reliable WR. I am still not but believe he can find a place to contribute but not much. DWilliams - I would like to let him settle in a little more before commenting but I am not sure he is the right player for the system we play. Meeks - Seems like someone who could come in as a Dime player. Hopkins - didn't work out. Why would you ever draft a kicker not named Sebastian?! Gragg - just like all 7th rounders he is a project. Lets see if the glue will hold because I can't think we can work any more with this guy to put him together. He's either got to get it or get out. I think this is a fair take. Bob Woods says to meet him outside. Did you both miss this gem of a topic? http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/171732-i-hate-to-be-a-downer-but-robert-woods/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Goodwin has made 1 play all year and it's questionable whether he even made the play. Plus, it was more of a great pass that a good catch. He only had an inch of separation with supposed 4.2 speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 IF EJ is a bust and the only really good pieces that come out of that draft are Kiko and Woods it will be looked at as a mediocre draft. But Duke Williams, Gragg, and Goodwin could all turn their fortunes around too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Goodwin has made 1 play all year and it's questionable whether he even made the play. Plus, it was more of a great pass that a good catch. He only had an inch of separation with supposed 4.2 speed. what was questionable about the play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Woods isn't "physical enough"? Robert Woods? Who plays for Buffalo? He plays very physical. His game reminds me of Michael Irvin. completely agree and so would anyone who watches Woods play. special teams, running routes over the middle, that chicago catch in traffic which won us the game, run blocking. sometimes i think people just post stuff like that to get replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Did you both miss this gem of a topic? http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/171732-i-hate-to-be-a-downer-but-robert-woods/ Oh good grief... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Did you both miss this gem of a topic? http://forums.twobil...t-robert-woods/ I thought it was obvious, and was reminded of that thread when Woods wrestled the ball way on one play this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Oh good grief... Our favorite TC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Oh good grief... Consider the source ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Consider the source ... I hadn't noticed that... Perhaps he saw it on a Russian news YouTube video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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