FireChan Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) I would rather Orton have the conference that he can hit an open Watkins than concede simply on the basis of Revis' presence. Revis is a few years removed from being all world. I simply want Orton to make the plays when they are there, and I don't think that is too much to ask before I can say he played well in a loss where he committed two turnovers. I'll concede that I couldn't see the plays that Watkins was open and nothing happened, sure. But there are so many factors involved in completing a long pass, that I doubt it happened more than once or twice. Does it really matter if Orton hits Chandler for 20 and a first down and we end up scoring on the drive anyway if Watkins is open for 30? And yes, I suppose we just have different definitions of "playing well." I wanted Orton to play like a vet with confidence, to make plays, and to breathe life into an offense full of playmakers. I believe he's done so. Edited October 15, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 WOW! Just WOW! Wow! Just Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Wow! Just Wow! Didn't take you long to find that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Wow! Just Wow! WOW- A mysteious transmission from outer space that hasn't been decoded since it was received in 1977.WOW just WOW! 72 seconds in length. or a 8 th grade Alaskan transplant with nothing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) WOW! Just WOW! To be clear I was answering a question of an opinion of another member. Edited October 15, 2014 by A Dog Named Kelso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Orton is a lovable mediocre . lets not get down on him. He is all we have now . Lets just root for him for the heck of it Might be alittle nervous ? Lotta pressure . Literally and figuratively i suppose Ahhhh, now we are supposed to root for our QB? We were not willing to do that with a young, developing project in EJ. Bills-Fan-4-EJ seems to be the lone crusader on this one. I am on board with letting EJ mature, and grow on the field. What do we have to lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 A lot of friggin games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Ahhhh, now we are supposed to root for our QB? We were not willing to do that with a young, developing project in EJ. I am on board with letting EJ mature, and grow on the field. What do we have to lose? I root for the QB on the field. as for EJ . I think he lost the team against Houston . To me it was the right thing to do at the time for the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 The team is much more plagued by inferior coaching than by QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) do you have to ask that when the answer is in the quoted post? no it didn't Orton is FOUR FOR FOUR in the redzone since comeing in.....do people realize the signficance of this? I think you misunderstood the question - here is a small sample http://espn.go.com/n...ameId=400554259 4 of the first 5 drives against the Cheatriots never entered the Red Zone. ---------------------- EJ sacked 6 times in 4 games KO sacked 7 times in 2 games Rushing per game 193 total rushing yds against Chicago 113 total rushing yds against Miami 87 total rushing yds against SD 96 total rushing yds against Houston 49 total rushing yds against Detroit? 68 total rushing yds against Cheatriots? What changed? Edited October 15, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 The defense was abysmal and cost us any shot we had to win. Period. Orton is the first NFL qb we've had since Bledsoe. He throws to receivers before they make their break. It is a breath of fresh air. Actual NFL throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC2002 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 no it didn't Orton is FOUR FOR FOUR in the redzone since comeing in.....do people realize the signficance of this? I think you misunderstood the question - here is a small sample http://espn.go.com/n...ameId=400554259 4 of the first 5 drives against the Cheatriots never entered the Red Zone. ---------------------- EJ sacked 6 times in 4 games KO sacked 7 times in 2 games Rushing per game 193 total rushing yds against Chicago 113 total rushing yds against Miami 87 total rushing yds against SD 96 total rushing yds against Houston 49 total rushing yds against Detroit? 68 total rushing yds against Cheatriots? What changed? the running game and qb play deteriorated every week from the start of teh season and we finally got the QB back on track and now its time to get the running game back on track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Does no one want to consider that EJ looks a lot better selling the play action fake? I feel pretty strongly about this. There isn't much that he does better than Orton right now, but I do think this and the escapability are two items on his ledger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) the running game and qb play deteriorated every week from the start of teh season and we finally got the QB back on track and now its time to get the running game back on track that is your opinion. it is safe to say that with over 80% of all the teams, the QB play "seems" to deteriorate" after the first 3 or 4 weeks. It's called game film and defensive planning. Are KO's sacks due to the Oline or his holding the ball too long? Are RB's low #'a due to the Oline or too frequent rotation? Hurray !!! KO is averaging 280 ypg and is 4 for 4 in the red zone, yet the run game has dropped to 58 ypg Edited October 15, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I don't know, man. Shouldn't we sign him to a long-term extension and then see if he isn't a world-beater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) no it didn't Orton is FOUR FOR FOUR in the redzone since comeing in.....do people realize the signficance of this? I think you misunderstood the question - here is a small sample http://espn.go.com/n...ameId=400554259 4 of the first 5 drives against the Cheatriots never entered the Red Zone. ---------------------- EJ sacked 6 times in 4 games KO sacked 7 times in 2 games Rushing per game 193 total rushing yds against Chicago 113 total rushing yds against Miami 87 total rushing yds against SD 96 total rushing yds against Houston 49 total rushing yds against Detroit? 68 total rushing yds against Cheatriots? What changed? But when they did he got 7/8 not 3. If you get down there 8 times and only get FGs then you are at 24 vs getting down there 4 times and picking up 7(8) which is 28(or more) and that is the difference. The fact you are talking about that as if it is bad to convert before the team gets there just silly and a different topic. Also, to your second point, teams knew if you take the running game away the team can not throw with EJ in there. That was evident by how he performed in the Houston game. Now that is not the case if the running game is not there Orton can move the ball with his arm. that is your opinion. it is safe to say that with over 80% of all the teams, the QB play "seems" to deteriorate" after the first 3 or 4 weeks. It's called game film and defensive planning. Are KO's sacks due to the Oline or his holding the ball too long? Are RB's low #'a due to the Oline or too frequent rotation? Hurray !!! KO is averaging 280 ypg and is 4 for 4 in the red zone, yet the run game has dropped to 58 ypg 607/2=303.5 ypg If you are going to argue against him at least use the correct facts to make your argument. We get it you hate Orton and would rather lose with EJ then win with Orton. I agree the running game needs work but if your don't have either your team is in bad shape, which is what the Houston game should show you. Edited October 15, 2014 by A Dog Named Kelso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Where do I get a box of Orton O's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 He throws to receivers before they make their break. It is a breath of fresh air. Actual NFL throws. Come on man, EJ threw to WRs before they made their break too. I totally support Kyle in as the starter, but we don't have to make up stuff about EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meark Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 The biggest problem on the field yesterday was the entire offense. I.e. Hackett is the problem. He's hopelessly incapable of making an adjustment based on what opposing defenses are doing. 8-9 guys in the box? Yeh, my offense says run the ball anyway on first down, so that's what we're going to do. Having success throwing to the middle of the field? OK, I see that success and raise you a delayed handoff from the shotgun position or a screen pass. I'm N.Hackett bitches. I'll do what I want. We run screen passes? News to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 A. Ahhhh, now we are supposed to root for our QB? We were not willing to do that with a young, developing project in EJ. B. I am on board with letting EJ mature, and grow on the field. What do we have to lose? A. Where's the evidence of any development. This isn't Madden franchise mode. Your QB doesn't necessarily get better just by playing. B. Games, the season, potential playoff run, the locker room, Sunday afternoons, potential FA who don't want to play on a team that can't score. Shall I go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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