FireChan Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I love how you bash people for stating real problems with the team around Spiller. We have Syracuse's OC and a bad oline. How is McCoy doing this year with their banged up oline? So, in one thread, you say Chip Kelly could make any RB great, and in another, you say McCoy is sucking this year with Chip Kelly. Double Standard on aisle 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I think a lot of people agree with you to some extent, but I don't think many (if any) have reached the point where they think Spiller is trash (which seems to be your view, but let me know if you think I'm wrong). I think he's a talented but limited player who has had one very good season out of five. I do think he's misused, but I say that without knowing how well he actually runs routes in the passing game. we kind of agree. First if all. People don't think he's trash yet because they haven't opened their eyes yet. They still get googlely over flashy things. Second, I don't think his 1 season was very good. It was good. End of story. Third, if he's misused, the only way to use him correctly would be in the passing game. So basically he's not a RB at all. And that's fine. Of much rather have CJ lining up at WR than freaking Hogan or Chandler. Last, I don't think he's talented at all. I think he's fast. That's it. Unfortunately, in the NFL, speed means a lot less than it does in college. Speed in college can make you a star. In the NFL all it means is your fast. Bit if you can't catch as a WR, you lose a job. If you can't look for the ball as a DB, you lose your job. If you can't shed a block as a DE, you lose your job. So why as a RB that camt see the field properly, or have the right decisions when it comes to following blockers keeps his job. Not only that, keeps getting fed the ball when there are clearly other players at that position playing better than he is? Let's ask this question, if Marrone saw it best to bench EJ for not playing well, how in the hell does he not bench a RB that gets 8 yards a game? Especially after your team gave up a 4th round pick for a RB, and picked up another in FA and both played well in camp and preseason. Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 So, in one thread, you say Chip Kelly could make any RB great, and in another, you say McCoy is sucking this year with Chip Kelly. Double Standard on aisle 5. Not shockingly, you missed the point. Kelly is an offensive genius but their oline is destroyed by injuries. McCoy is still a very good back but with a banged up oline, he is not nearly as effective. He is averaging 2.9 ypc because the oline is not good. It's a team game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I do. Guy's a home run hitter, like McKelvin. Might be 30 or 40 of these guys in the whole league. They drive you crazy until they hit the homer, then you love 'em, because its usually a game winning homer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 They drive you crazy until they hit the homer, then you love 'em, because its usually a game winning homer. no. I hated Roscoe Parrish just as much or more than CJ and they are identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Not shockingly, you missed the point. Kelly is an offensive genius but their oline is destroyed by injuries. McCoy is still a very good back but with a banged up oline, he is not nearly as effective. He is averaging 2.9 ypc because the oline is not good. It's a team game. Kelly is an offensive genius based on what? One fluke season? That offense is not sustainable in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Kelly is an offensive genius based on what? One fluke season? That offense is not sustainable in the NFL. I will give you that it is probably early to officially anoint him but the early results are pretty damn good. Check out Foles as a rookie and now. He is getting production out of everyone, including Riley the Racist. Their defense is awful but they are one of the best offenses in the NFL. I thought Kelly was overrated but I'd trade Marrone for him in a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Not shockingly, you missed the point. Kelly is an offensive genius but their oline is destroyed by injuries. McCoy is still a very good back but with a banged up oline, he is not nearly as effective. He is averaging 2.9 ypc because the oline is not good. It's a team game. So Kelly would dominate with Spiller only if he had his All-Pro O-line? What a genius coach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I will give you that it is probably early to officially anoint him but the early results are pretty damn good. Check out Foles as a rookie and now. He is getting production out of everyone, including Riley the Racist. Their defense is awful but they are one of the best offenses in the NFL. I thought Kelly was overrated but I'd trade Marrone for him in a second. Riley the Racist. Good one. Too early to tell re: Kelly vs. Marrone. I'm still happy they are where they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I will give you that it is probably early to officially anoint him but the early results are pretty damn good. Check out Foles as a rookie and now. He is getting production out of everyone, including Riley the Racist. Their defense is awful but they are one of the best offenses in the NFL. I thought Kelly was overrated but I'd trade Marrone for him in a second. Uh...their offense has been terrible the last three games. They've been getting all their points from defense and special teams. Also Foles is in his third year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) Jackson performs better with this offensive line, he should be the starter. CJ for change of pace and that is all. Keep him on kick return too. I think he would be better in that complementary role anyway. Oh and I don't think they resign him. Edited October 6, 2014 by kobe808lak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Jackson performs better with this offensive line, he should be the starter. CJ for change of pace and that is all. Keep him on kick return too. I think he would be better in that complementary role anyway. Oh and I don't think they resign him. makes too much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) After an uninspiring start to the season, Spiller easily had his worst game in as long as I remember. I know the Lions D is good, but I watched Fred get the tough yards like always and CJ go nowhere. He missed a crucial blitz pickup and nearly cost us a safety. I know Bryce Brown is the alleged replacement for CJ, but the FO has expressed interest in keeping him. What are the odds now we keep CJ? Does anyone think we try to trade him? What is he worth? I know this has been ongoing talk here at TSW, but this was the least inspiring performance I've seen from him in a long, long time. It can't just be Hackett. Comparing CJ to Fred is not fair: Fred simply runs better between the tackles. CJ is better in space. The OC's inability to utilize CJ properly falls squarely on the OC and NOT CJ. Gailey turned CJ into one of the biggest threats in the NFL - that's someone who knows what they have and properly utilize it. Hackett has a Ferrari and is utilizing it like a Dodge Ram. That's on Hackett and it's my single biggest gripe with the guy. Edited October 6, 2014 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Comparing CJ to Fred is not fair: Fred simply runs better between the tackles. CJ is better in space. The OC's inability to utilize CJ properly falls squarely on the OC and NOT CJ. Gailey turned CJ into one of the biggest threats in the NFL - that's someone who knows what they have and properly utilize it. Hackett has a Ferrari and is utilizing it like a Dodge Ram. That's on Hackett and it's my single biggest gripe with the guy. yeah. We've all heard this one over an over against some point, you'll just have to concede that CJ just sucks and has horrible vision. It's not like were running Freddy like he Jerome Bettis or Shaun Alexander. It's simple vision and footwork that every NFL worthy RB should possess that CJ does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Comparing CJ to Fred is not fair: Fred simply runs better between the tackles. CJ is better in space. The OC's inability to utilize CJ properly falls squarely on the OC and NOT CJ. Gailey turned CJ into one of the biggest threats in the NFL - that's someone who knows what they have and properly utilize it. Hackett has a Ferrari and is utilizing it like a Dodge Ram. That's on Hackett and it's my single biggest gripe with the guy. Name a starting NFL running back that can't run between the tackles and is only effective "in space." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Name a starting NFL running back that can't run between the tackles and is only effective "in space." Sproles and Woodhead? My point is that why not implement Spiller more in the passing game with quick slants/screens as opposed to simply running him up the middle? I would forget the RB label and start thinking outside the box. He doesn't need to be a "starting NFL running back," but can still be a weapon on the offense as opposed to a nobody. Woodhead was targeted 86 times in the passing game last year. Sproles 89. Spiller 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Sproles and Woodhead? My point is that why not implement Spiller more in the passing game with quick slants/screens as opposed to simply running him up the middle? I would forget the RB label and start thinking outside the box. He doesn't need to be a "starting NFL running back," but can still be a weapon on the offense as opposed to a nobody. Woodhead was targeted 86 times in the passing game last year. Sproles 89. Spiller 40. You mean the two guys behind McCoy and Mathews on the depth chart, and see limited snaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Sproles and Woodhead? My point is that why not implement Spiller more in the passing game with quick slants/screens as opposed to simply running him up the middle? I would forget the RB label and start thinking outside the box. He doesn't need to be a "starting NFL running back," but can still be a weapon on the offense as opposed to a nobody. Woodhead was targeted 86 times in the passing game last year. Sproles 89. Spiller 40. Perhaps that's because everytime Spiller is in the game on a passing down defenses blitz because they know he can't pick it up. Nah. That's not it. I guess you missed the part about "STARTING" running back. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 CJ wont be traded this year....to late to change teams systems, and with him up for renewal, he can sign anywhere. No trade value whatsoever. Actually the perfect team to trade him to has already played the Bills and they need a RB - San Diego. Their OL coach used to be ours and he runs a scheme Spiller excels under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Perhaps that's because everytime Spiller is in the game on a passing down defenses blitz because they know he can't pick it up. Nah. That's not it. I guess you missed the part about "STARTING" running back. Try again. I guess you missed the part where I said "he doesn't need to be a starting NFL RB". You mean the two guys behind McCoy and Mathews on the depth chart, and see limited snaps? Those two guys that are in the same spot as Spiller but yet still see 2x as many targets in the passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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