finfanfromrochester Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 No you're not, you're completely disgarding any advantage we have on you and saying you have every advantage in every respect. The definition of a homer. Go home! I think you're just upset I'm not saying exactly what you want to hear. I give the Bills credit for a great D and a great run game, you must have missed that in previous posts of mine. Try not to get so worked up and just take my opinions as they are -- opinions from a fan of the opposing team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Odds are based on who the odds makers believe will be bet on the most; not on who they believe will win. Believing Miami can (or will) win is one thing; talking about how it should be out of reach in the 3rd quarter is, frankly, baseless. One thing that I haven't seen mentioned to you yet is the proverbial buzzsaw Miami could be walking into: - Home opener - Bruce/Thurman/Reed/Post-cancer Jimbo in the house - 1-0 for the first time in a while - Brand new owner and new lease on life in Buffalo That house is going to be absolutely rocking; this ain't New England. Didn't you hear? Dolphans are taking over the Ralph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finfanfromrochester Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Odds are based on who the odds makers believe will be bet on the most; not on who they believe will win. Believing Miami can (or will) win is one thing; talking about how it should be out of reach in the 3rd quarter is, frankly, baseless. One thing that I haven't seen mentioned to you yet is the proverbial buzzsaw Miami could be walking into: - Home opener - Bruce/Thurman/Reed/Post-cancer Jimbo in the house - 1-0 for the first time in a while - Brand new owner and new lease on life in Buffalo That house is going to be absolutely rocking; this ain't New England. Well in my defense I said 3rd quarter is where we will start to show our dominance, it won't be a blowout by the half. I still think it will be close. And the last point is one of my main concerns actually. The HF advantage is bigger than it's ever been this week for Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikef272002 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I'll admit I got a little heated making some points, but I think discussion between fans is good. It makes my work day go by faster anyway Well said, makes my day go by faster too. Not that I'm complimenting you, you still suck.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finfanfromrochester Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Well said, makes my day go by faster too. Not that I'm complimenting you, you still suck.. Right backatchya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Just from this discussion, it's pretty obvious that both teams are fairly evenly matched... with some advantages here and there for both sides. Most likely this will be a close game, and it should be exciting. Hopefully the Bills don't let the fans down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TannehillRules Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 McCain was a UDFA, the very definition of a street player. Jenkins was a #4 pick who couldn't get on the field. TBF to McCain, he was the highest rated 4-3 OLB in the preseason and blocked a punt plus sacked Brady in his first ever game. Jenkins provides good coverage but lacks instincts against the run(hence being a backup) or at least that's what we thought, he looked pretty good against the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Just from this discussion, it's pretty obvious that both teams are fairly evenly matched... with some advantages here and there for both sides. Most likely this will be a close game, and it should be exciting. Hopefully the Bills don't let the fans down. Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TannehillRules Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Just from this discussion, it's pretty obvious that both teams are fairly evenly matched... with some advantages here and there for both sides. Most likely this will be a close game, and it should be exciting. Hopefully the Bills don't let the fans down. Basically how I feel but with a Dolphins win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beebes Bubble Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) ...Wilfork was getting pushed around by the backup center, kinda ridiculous like... Has anyone watched any of New Englands pre-season games when Wilfork was playing? Maybe that Achilles injury from last year spells the end of his former dominance? Fat guy and a little tendon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYB3Fx0a8-4 Edited September 10, 2014 by Beebes Bubble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Scariest part about this week for me is, it's a game the Bills traditionally find a way to loose. It's tough to see us losing. That's the biggest fear. Ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TannehillRules Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Has anyone watched any of New Englands pre-season games when Wilfork was playing? Maybe that Achilles injury from last year spells the end of his former dominance? Fat guy and a little tendon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYB3Fx0a8-4 Don't take everyone's word. Wilfork was getting worked more in the 2nd half but also was blowing up the interior of our OL. Credit to new OL coach John Benton nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 oh my bad, I didn't read that correctly. that's true that Wake has his hands full again this year. Again, reality is subjective. Reality on this forum and finheaven.com forums seems to differ drastically. Finfan, I think the point is, all teams can look great on paper at the start of the season. The second game of the season is not much advanced, because at this point no one can tell whether the Bills beat a strong Chicago team and the Phins disassembled a weak NE team, or vice versa. The reality is that while the Phins had a better record last year, the Bills defeated the Phins twice last year with a QB so good, we cut him in preseason and no one else wanted him. You feel your team is much improved this year due to improved OL etc. but so do we - Henderson is a 7th round tackle, but he beat out the incumbent Eric Pears and a 2nd round pick, Cyrus Kouandjio, with his play in preseason to win the spot and send Pears over to RG, where he is viewed as a huge upgrade on last year's model. This year's Bills WR corp of Watkins, Williams, and Woods is also viewed locally as a huge upgrade over Stevie Johnson, Woods, and TJ Graham from last year. As for QB? Tannehill had a markedly mediocre rookie season in 2012 with 58.3% completion, 12 TD, and 13 INTs but to his credit, improved significantly last year. EJ's rookie season last year was not markedly better than Tannehill's rookie season with 58.8% completion, 11 TD, and 9 INT. Most rookies do take a big step between their rookie and 2nd season, so I wouldn't be too hasty to dump on EJ vs Tannehill. I do think EJ had a bit of a better game last week - the passing yardage is about the same, but 73% completions is a bit more efficient than 56%, don't you agree? EJ threw a pick, but so did Tannehill. Cameron Wake is a quality player, there is no question, with 3 pro-bowls to his credit. But so is our "Williamsville" of Mario Williams and Kyle Williams, and losing Dion Jordan to suspension had to be a big blow to you. We do have some serious questionmarks. Byrd's departure left ? in the secondary that it's not clear have been filled, and losing Kiko Alonso at LB was a blow - we were hoping great things from Spikes and Kiko on the field at the same time. But losing Reshad Jones to suspension has also got to hurt you, right. A little more learning about our team, acknowledgement of possible problems, and not so much Wake > Mario would help sustain the quality conversation you say you're trying to have. I'm expecting a good, hard fought game and just hope the Zebras call it fairly as many of us felt we got gouged in Chi-town last week and won anyway. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikef272002 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I just thought I'd give a little stat. Manuel completed just over 72% of his passes last week, and Tannahill completed 58%. Yes Tanny threw the ball 10 times more than Manuel, but that should have given him 10 more opportunities to complete a pass not 10 more chances to miss his targets against an average New England defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 You come to the Bills Forum as a Dolphins fan the week we play you and you want to have a decent conversation...lmao.. I wouldn't expect to go to a dolphin forum and expect to have a decent conversation... It's like trying to talk yourself out of jumping off a bridge, you went there and climbed up there, so just jump! Actually, Mike, this being IMHO one of the best and most knowledgeable fan boards at its core, it's quite possible to have a great discussion with an "enemy fan" the week before the game. I have seen several. The thing is, you have to come in with some knowledge and acknowledgement of your own team's flaws and not just "our DL > your DL nanna nanna boo boo" when they're both 3x pro bowlers and highly regarded. Which finfan here hasn't so far, but hey, maybe he can learn. Scariest part about this week for me is, it's a game the Bills traditionally find a way to loose. It's tough to see us losing. That's the biggest fear. Ha So true, Mango, I'm far more afraid of our own players losing focus and making stupid mistakes or losing the "must do" will to win than I am of the Phins. We have seen the Bills be their own worst enemy too many times and it remains to be seen if this year's model, stoked by last weeks win and the ownership news, differs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikef272002 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Actually, Mike, this being IMHO one of the best and most knowledgeable fan boards at its core, it's quite possible to have a great discussion with an "enemy fan" the week before the game. I have seen several. The thing is, you have to come in with some knowledge and acknowledgement of your own team's flaws and not just "our DL > your DL nanna nanna boo boo" when they're both 3x pro bowlers and highly regarded. Which finfan here hasn't so far, but hey, maybe he can learn. I agree, and I should probably have worded it a bit better, but my point is also to your point. If your going to come here and be one sided without knowledge your not going to enter into a decent conversation.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Has anyone watched any of New Englands pre-season games when Wilfork was playing? Maybe that Achilles injury from last year spells the end of his former dominance? It is damn hard to come back from an Achilles, that is true. But if anyone can help a big guy come back my money is on Bianca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finfanfromrochester Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Finfan, I think the point is, all teams can look great on paper at the start of the season. The second game of the season is not much advanced, because at this point no one can tell whether the Bills beat a strong Chicago team and the Phins disassembled a weak NE team, or vice versa. The reality is that while the Phins had a better record last year, the Bills defeated the Phins twice last year with a QB so good, we cut him in preseason and no one else wanted him. You feel your team is much improved this year due to improved OL etc. but so do we - Henderson is a 7th round tackle, but he beat out the incumbent Eric Pears and a 2nd round pick, Cyrus Kouandjio, with his play in preseason to win the spot and send Pears over to RG, where he is viewed as a huge upgrade on last year's model. This year's Bills WR corp of Watkins, Williams, and Woods is also viewed locally as a huge upgrade over Stevie Johnson, Woods, and TJ Graham from last year. As for QB? Tannehill had a markedly mediocre rookie season in 2012 with 58.3% completion, 12 TD, and 13 INTs but to his credit, improved significantly last year. EJ's rookie season last year was not markedly better than Tannehill's rookie season with 58.8% completion, 11 TD, and 9 INT. Most rookies do take a big step between their rookie and 2nd season, so I wouldn't be too hasty to dump on EJ vs Tannehill. I do think EJ had a bit of a better game last week - the passing yardage is about the same, but 73% completions is a bit more efficient than 56%, don't you agree? EJ threw a pick, but so did Tannehill. Cameron Wake is a quality player, there is no question, with 3 pro-bowls to his credit. But so is our "Williamsville" of Mario Williams and Kyle Williams, and losing Dion Jordan to suspension had to be a big blow to you. We do have some serious questionmarks. Byrd's departure left ? in the secondary that it's not clear have been filled, and losing Kiko Alonso at LB was a blow - we were hoping great things from Spikes and Kiko on the field at the same time. But losing Reshad Jones to suspension has also got to hurt you, right. A little more learning about our team, acknowledgement of possible problems, and not so much Wake > Mario would help sustain the quality conversation you say you're trying to have. I'm expecting a good, hard fought game and just hope the Zebras call it fairly as many of us felt we got gouged in Chi-town last week and won anyway. Cheers! Now this right here is what I'm talking about. Good insight, I learned a couple things from this post! I will definitely admit you guys have the upper hand off the bat from the two wins last year, and the major HF advantage. And I hear you in regards to simply stating who is better than whom. I'll work on add a little more substance to my posts! I, too am expecting a great game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I agree, and I should probably have worded it a bit better, but my point is also to your point. If your going to come here and be one sided without knowledge your not going to enter into a decent conversation.. We are in violent agreement :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Now this right here is what I'm talking about. Good insight, I learned a couple things from this post! I will definitely admit you guys have the upper hand off the bat from the two wins last year, and the major HF advantage. And I hear you in regards to simply stating who is better than whom. I'll work on add a little more substance to my posts! I, too am expecting a great game! Thanks for sparking a good discussion. You're welcome here any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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