Brandon Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 This is unbelievable. Yeah, you could say it ran aground. This was a great job by the crew just to get back to port. http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=21183 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Captain: "I said PORT, dumbass. PORT!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dive Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 ....a....... holy crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibuya Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 You know someone in command is getting their ass reamed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 how the hell did it happen ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 how the hell did it happen ?????? 221115[/snapback] Running at flank speed at somewhere around 500 feet deep, ran into an uncharted obstacle, I believe. Subs at high speed are effectively blind and deaf (flow noise from the water rushing past deafens the sonar), and it's a big !@#$ing ocean that's nowhere near fully mapped yet. (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002158331_submarine23.html) And the damage itself...machine spaces, torpedo room, forward sonar (covered by an easily crushed fiberglass cover, I believe). The localized damage probably looks worse than it actually is (we've got submariners on the board who, if they can, will confirm what I said or explain in no uncertain terms that I'm an idiot). I'd be more concerned with the damage we can't see...10k ton boat hits a big-ass rock, and things break from the shock. It's possible they could have bent the keel, thrown bearings out of true, knocked machinery off its mounts (e.g. the reactor machinery - which apparently didn't happen, else they probably wouldn't have gotten the boat back to Guam). I doubt it, but it is possible that the boat's a total write-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 You know someone in command is getting their ass reamed 221110[/snapback] maybe we can trade travis henry for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBob2232 Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 The commander was relieved of duty. He was not initially because as was mentioned here, this was an uncharted underwater mountain. He has been transfered to another duty station. The reactor is fine. Wouldnt worry about that. Most likely scenario is that this ship gets scrapped. Its not a new ship anymore, and its probably not cost effective to repair it. Kudos to the crew for taking the necessary actions they are trained to take in times like this. Its one thing to drill these scenarios 100 times, but its another to perform under the heat of the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Running at flank speed at somewhere around 500 feet deep, ran into an uncharted obstacle, I believe. Subs at high speed are effectively blind and deaf (flow noise from the water rushing past deafens the sonar), and it's a big !@#$ing ocean that's nowhere near fully mapped yet. (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002158331_submarine23.html) And the damage itself...machine spaces, torpedo room, forward sonar (covered by an easily crushed fiberglass cover, I believe). The localized damage probably looks worse than it actually is (we've got submariners on the board who, if they can, will confirm what I said or explain in no uncertain terms that I'm an idiot). I'd be more concerned with the damage we can't see...10k ton boat hits a big-ass rock, and things break from the shock. It's possible they could have bent the keel, thrown bearings out of true, knocked machinery off its mounts (e.g. the reactor machinery - which apparently didn't happen, else they probably wouldn't have gotten the boat back to Guam). I doubt it, but it is possible that the boat's a total write-off. 221124[/snapback] She'll be DECOMED. The almost did it to the Gonzalez when she was brand spanking new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 28, 2005 Author Share Posted January 28, 2005 Running at flank speed at somewhere around 500 feet deep, ran into an uncharted obstacle, I believe. Subs at high speed are effectively blind and deaf (flow noise from the water rushing past deafens the sonar), and it's a big !@#$ing ocean that's nowhere near fully mapped yet. (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002158331_submarine23.html) And the damage itself...machine spaces, torpedo room, forward sonar (covered by an easily crushed fiberglass cover, I believe). The localized damage probably looks worse than it actually is (we've got submariners on the board who, if they can, will confirm what I said or explain in no uncertain terms that I'm an idiot). I'd be more concerned with the damage we can't see...10k ton boat hits a big-ass rock, and things break from the shock. It's possible they could have bent the keel, thrown bearings out of true, knocked machinery off its mounts (e.g. the reactor machinery - which apparently didn't happen, else they probably wouldn't have gotten the boat back to Guam). I doubt it, but it is possible that the boat's a total write-off. 221124[/snapback] There does indeed appear to be some unseen damage. Follow the safety walkway...about 15 feet back, it appears that the hull is buckled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 She'll be DECOMED. 221139[/snapback] at first glance i thought this was a d00med post she'll be DEC MED!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 The reactor is fine. Wouldnt worry about that. Most likely scenario is that this ship gets scrapped. Its not a new ship anymore, and its probably not cost effective to repair it. 221136[/snapback] Figured it was...just threw it out as an example of machinery that can get knocked about. BTW...for those who don't know, one sailor died and 60 were injured in the collision. The sub hit hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 There does indeed appear to be some unseen damage. Follow the safety walkway...about 15 feet back, it appears that the hull is buckled. 221141[/snapback] Illusion, I think. If you look at the high-res picture, the tiles on the surface aren't distorted. That white line halfway back to the sail is actually a cable of some sort, hanging at a slightly skewed angle from the line of the tiles, which gives the illusion of some buckling. But if it were really buckled, the tiles wouldn't be laying as flat as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udonkey Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 You know someone in command is getting their ass reamed 221110[/snapback] Well, it is named for the city of ass reamings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 28, 2005 Author Share Posted January 28, 2005 Illusion, I think. If you look at the high-res picture, the tiles on the surface aren't distorted. That white line halfway back to the sail is actually a cable of some sort, hanging at a slightly skewed angle from the line of the tiles, which gives the illusion of some buckling. But if it were really buckled, the tiles wouldn't be laying as flat as they are. 221150[/snapback] Upon further review, I am inclined to agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 You know someone in command is getting their ass reamed 221110[/snapback] I figured that, it's the Navy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Stars & Stripes article adds a little detail. Apparently the undersea mountain comes to within 100 feet of the surface. Four minutes before the grounding the sub was in over 6,000 feet of water! The mountain does appear in satelite images from 1999 and 2004. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dib Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Four minutes before the grounding the sub was in over 6,000 feet of water! Submarine depths are classified, besides at 6,000 feet it would be more than a mile underwater, prodigous even for submersibles much less submarines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Four minutes before the grounding the sub was in over 6,000 feet of water! Submarine depths are classified, besides at 6,000 feet it would be more than a mile underwater, prodigous even for submersibles much less submarines. 221440[/snapback] The submarine was in water that they measured at 6000 feet deep, not necessarily 6000 feet under water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiew Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 "Uncharted obstacle"? Perhaps something resulting from the undersea earthquake on December 26th? I know Guam is a long way away, but ya' never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dib Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 The submarine was in water that they measured at 6000 feet deep, not necessarily 6000 feet under water. 221447[/snapback] My fault, I misread and jumped to a conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 My fault, I misread and jumped to a conclusion. 221473[/snapback] Isn't that what the Wall is all about these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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