Big Blitz Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) Im using Flacco as say a best case scenario ceiling for EJ. Big, tall, strong arm guys. Not very accurate passers. Here are Flaccos numbers: And here is the rest of those including TDs INTs rating and YPA. Edited August 29, 2014 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Blitz Posted August 29, 2014 Author Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) Now here is EJ: You telling me EJ cant at least put up Flacco numbers? They still win (a lot) despite Flacco being very average and he's been good in the playoffs. My point is he can succeed. And I think he can be better than that. We have a great D--not Ravens great at the time but very good. Hell...when they won the SB the D wasn't even good and their OC was fired with 6 games left. Coaching. Its got to be the coaching. And I'm just trying to feel better about things. Edited August 29, 2014 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Wiz Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 go on ... I read this and thought of the episode of the Simpsons where Mr Burns has taken the towns electricity and the guys are begging him to give it back. Apparently fxx has been on too much in my down time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 29, 2014 Author Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) Sorry the posts weren't done--the pics I wanted were screwed up---my thoughts are in there now.EJs YPA his rookie year 5.8. A QB rating of 77. With a limited summer. 3 injuries. Again....I'm worried these coaches have turned him into a robot. But a 'positive' for anyone looking for hope. . Flacco was terrible last year and that team went 8-8. Lost all of its leaders. Its oline was a debacle. Ray Rice stunk. Still....8-8. Our roster is much better than their roster. We beat them for cryin out loud. Maybe we will be surprised.. Edited August 29, 2014 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Stage 3: Bargaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Stage 3: Bargaining Yessir. First is was Big Ben, now dropping to "atleast Flacco." Sadly, acceptance won't come until week 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 With the preseason the way it was, some folks have already made it to stage 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Stage 3: Bargaining :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCOHEN13 Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Now here is EJ: You telling me EJ cant at least put up Flacco numbers? They still win (a lot) despite Flacco being very average and he's been good in the playoffs. My point is he can succeed. And I think he can be better than that. We have a great D--not Ravens great at the time but very good. Hell...when they won the SB the D wasn't even good and their OC was fired with 6 games left. Coaching. Its got to be the coaching. And I'm just trying to feel better about things. Being a good QB is not just numbers... Flacco looks downfield, teams respect his deep ball. Flacco has converted some great clutch plays, (3rd down passes and in crunch time in games). Flacco has a SB ring, EJ may have a toe ring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thr_wedge Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 I'm trying to see where this is going...The Ravens had a bad year therefore EJ is going to win us a SB? Bills starting QBs since 2008. 2013 EJ Manuel (10) / Thad Lewis (5) / Jeff Tuel (1) 2012 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16) 2011 Ryan Fitzpatrick (16) 2010 Ryan Fitzpatrick (13) / Trent Edwards (2) / Brian Brohm (1) 2009 Ryan Fitzpatrick (8) / Trent Edwards (7) / Brian Brohm (1) 2008 Trent Edwards (14) / J.P. Losman (2) List of Ravens Starting QB since 2008 2013 Joe Flacco (16) 2012 Joe Flacco (16) 2011 Joe Flacco (16) 2010 Joe Flacco (16) 2009 Joe Flacco (16) 2008 Joe Flacco (16) List of Bills Playoff wins since 2008 List of Ravens Playoff wins since 2008 2012 Playoffs WildCard W Division W ConfChamp W SuperBowl W 2011 Playoffs Division W ConfChamp L 2010 Playoffs WildCard W Division L 2009 Playoffs WildCard W Division L 2008 Playoffs WildCard W Division W ConfChamp L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenboy81 Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Thx blitz for some sunshine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 29, 2014 Author Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) Very true cohen but I disagree about EJ not looking downfield. To who exactly could be relied on for that last year? Graham? Goodwin was hurt. And EJ took his shots. But we had a bunch of 3rd and 8s or 10 because the run game was inconsistent--teams sit back--so over coached EJ is hearing hackett ("take the safe dump off.") EJs problem isn't the refusal to throw down field its still the accuracy. That's a problem for sure but like my point with Flaccos numbers is I believe we win with a QB like the Ravens do that has a 59 career percentage with a good D and coaching. However I just see more signs that we could have the worst coached offense and play caller in football than it is EJ being garbage. The oline getting worse....getting nothing out of Spiller. Ending Stevie Johnsons career. All our QBs have regressed--we dont even have a backup or at least we are looking for one. Its August 29. Edited August 29, 2014 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Sadly, I LOLed when I read the title of this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 (edited) Joe Flacco went on a record setting playoff run throwing no interceptions and putting up huge passer ratings for that stretch in route to winning the Super Bowl. He is inconsistent but has actually demonstrated a very high ceiling over a meaningful period of games. EJ has never demonstrated that he can put together three games of adequate, let alone high level play, in a row. He is young, he might, but EJ's demonstrated ceiling is not in the same zip code as Flacco's so far. Edited August 29, 2014 by PlayoffsPlease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 29, 2014 Author Share Posted August 29, 2014 Sadly, I LOLed when I read the title of this post. I guess what I'm trying to ask is (and I posted the stats more for perspective and patience on EJ) is do you think EJ can at least equal or be better than Flacco and could we live with that at least in the short term? Obviously we want 'elite' but IF this is EJs ceiling can that at least be acceptable and more importantly would it be enough to win? I think we can....we should.....and if we aren't its almost entirely on the coaches. Im just getting worn out with the EJ sux EJ sux....if it's no better by week 10 then I think we know if its time to pull the plug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thr_wedge Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 EJ's ceiling is Flacco's floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Yessir. First is was Big Ben, now dropping to "atleast Flacco." Sadly, acceptance won't come until week 6. Is week 6 Byron Leftwhich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 If EJ was Joe Flacco, of course he could put up "Joe Flacco numbers"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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