YoloinOhio Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 From @NickelCityBills at @BuffRumblings: A breakdown of #Bills QB EJ Manuel's 2013 incomplete passes. http://ow.ly/xlbsC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 aww man where's the beef? Let me guess the #1 reason - SJ13 dropped the pass. unofficial "final total" was 35 drops. DING DING DING DING DING Only two players and one group had five or more "receiver at fault" plays: Stevie Johnson (14), tight ends (6), and T.J. Graham (5). Here’s where they happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 It would be nice to know how EJ's stats compare to other QBs. It's tough to glean anything from them on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 aww man where's the beef? Let me guess the #1 reason - SJ13 dropped the pass. unofficial "final total" was 35 drops. DING DING DING DING DING Only two players and one group had five or more "receiver at fault" plays: Stevie Johnson (14), tight ends (6), and T.J. Graham (5). Here’s where they happened I was going to post that same quote from the article...interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 It would be nice to know how EJ's stats compare to other QBs. It's tough to glean anything from them on their own. Exactly, it was a nice analysis but didn't come up with any real conclusions. Without comparative data, you can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elroy16 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 20 percent of the attempts (not incompletions!) to Johnson were incomplete because he dropped the ball or failed to get both feet in bounds. 20% of EJ's throws to his number 1 receiver were not completions because of Stevie. That doesn't really sound like a number 1 guy to me. Hard to have a lot of confidence when your guy is dropping every 5th pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 28, 2014 Author Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) 20% of EJ's throws to his number 1 receiver were not completions because of Stevie. That doesn't really sound like a number 1 guy to me. Hard to have a lot of confidence when your guy is dropping every 5th pass. Stevie was unreliable, unaccountable, and had a big contract. Door, shown. I originally didn't want him gone because of the relative youth in the WR corp but I think we have better options now and Woods is really the one replacing him in the slot. He is better off as the #3 option in SF. Edited May 28, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Just four more completed passes gets EJ to 60% passing. Ten more gets him to 62%. He's got stuff to work on, and he has been, but having a better WR corps to throw to will help him out just as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 20% of EJ's throws to his number 1 receiver were not completions because of Stevie. That doesn't really sound like a number 1 guy to me. Hard to have a lot of confidence when your guy is dropping every 5th pass. Yeah but he REALLY liked the City of Buffalo (when he wasn't living elsewhere during the offseason) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 28, 2014 Author Share Posted May 28, 2014 Just four more completed passes gets EJ to 60% passing. Ten more gets him to 62%. He's got stuff to work on, and he has been, but having a better WR corps to throw to will help him out just as much. Considering Sammy was actually catching all of Kenny G's errant passes in rookie camp, I am hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Just four more completed passes gets EJ to 60% passing. Ten more gets him to 62%. He's got stuff to work on, and he has been, but having a better WR corps to throw to will help him out just as much. Great point Doc...also, Nate Hackett had EJ, Thad and Tuel, Stevie injured, CJ injured, and Goodwin out for several games. I think we'll see what Hackett can really do this year with a healthy EJ and healthy receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 aww man where's the beef? Let me guess the #1 reason - SJ13 dropped the pass. unofficial "final total" was 35 drops. DING DING DING DING DING Only two players and one group had five or more "receiver at fault" plays: Stevie Johnson (14), tight ends (6), and T.J. Graham (5). Here’s where they happened SJ's completion percentage is average. Some fans have a selective memory due to high profile drops. And there are other players on the Bills (Choice, Graham) with higher drop rates. Losing SJ is going to hurt. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Just four more completed passes gets EJ to 60% passing. Ten more gets him to 62%. He's got stuff to work on, and he has been, but having a better WR corps to throw to will help him out just as much. According to the numbers, Stevie could have gotten him there alone...and still been our worst receiver. SJ's completion percentage is average. Some fans have a selective memory due to high profile drops. And there are other players on the Bills (Choice, Graham) with higher drop rates. Losing SJ is going to hurt. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2013/ Hurt so bad you used an already cut HB (Choice) and an excel or be cut receiver (Graham) to make your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 28, 2014 Author Share Posted May 28, 2014 SJ's completion percentage is average. Some fans have a selective memory due to high profile drops. And there are other players on the Bills (Choice, Graham) with higher drop rates. Losing SJ is going to hurt. http://www.sportingc...ats/drops/2013/ Do you think Woods will be a worse slot WR than SJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 According to the numbers, Stevie could have gotten him there alone...and still been our worst receiver. Hurt so bad you used an already cut HB (Choice) and an excel or be cut receiver (Graham) to make your point? My point: He's not as bad as some fans here think. There are others with higher drop rates on this team. He's right in the middle of NFL receivers. Which isn't bad considering he's had to play with more QBs than I can even count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 28, 2014 Author Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) My point: He's not as bad as some fans here think. There are others with higher drop rates on this team. He's right in the middle of NFL receivers. Which isn't bad considering he's had to play with more QBs than I can even count. I don't think he is a "bad WR" by any means. I don't think, however, he was a good fit on this team as it stands today. I think he is in a much better situation now to produce, and the Bills also are in a better situation for who the QB and others WRs are. And therefore, I do not think he will be missed. I think his production will be absorbed by WRs who are a better fit for this current personnel. Specifically, I think Woods is a better all-around WR with skill set, is a natural fit in the slot where Stevie was playing, and has better chemistry with the QB. Edited May 28, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXBILLSFAN Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 My biggest issue with EJ is that he seems to be very mechanical in his play and not instinctive. I know that sounds vague, but I get the impression watching him last year that he tends to be almost robotic, I'm not sure if that is because he was unsure of himself, hesitant or simply rookie nerves. I love his arm strength, mobility and I think he has a quick delivery. Instincts and accuracy are the two areas I plan to watch closely to see if there is improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 My biggest issue with EJ is that he seems to be very mechanical in his play and not instinctive. I know that sounds vague, but I get the impression watching him last year that he tends to be almost robotic, I'm not sure if that is because he was unsure of himself, hesitant or simply rookie nerves. I love his arm strength, mobility and I think he has a quick delivery. Instincts and accuracy are the two areas I plan to watch closely to see if there is improvement. One analyst called it "slow eyes." Apropos. That, and of course his penchant for busting his knees on nondescript plays. I look forward to seeing where he can take his game come September. Do you think Woods will be a worse slot WR than SJ? I don't know. All I know is I loved his hustle (never stopped, even when he wasn't the designated target) and route running ability, and he seemed to love playing for the team and living in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 One analyst called it "slow eyes." Apropos. That, and of course his penchant for busting his knees on nondescript plays. I look forward to seeing where he can take his game come September. I don't know. All I know is I loved his hustle (never stopped, even when he wasn't the designated target) and route running ability, and he seemed to love playing for the team and living in Buffalo. Are you referring to Johnson or Woods?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 It would be nice to know how EJ's stats compare to other QBs. It's tough to glean anything from them on their own. I can draw a conclusion from the data that wood appears reliable. Few drops for one of the top number of catches. I agree there not much you can discern about EJ. For one the deeper the pass the harder it is to tell who is at fault. I'd be more interested in passer rating with each WR. That would tell me more about what we are dealing with. Do you think Woods will be a worse slot WR than SJ? Not sure he will be there. I am guessing watkins will get a look there first. Woods seems like a guy you want running deep posts/crosses. Think he'll get knocked around inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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