CodeMonkey Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) No, but you have to remember who is leaking this info. If the Bills are trying to get to 5 for example the Raiders are the ones passing this information along. They are hoping to drive up the value of the pick. I don't think anyone is actually leaking info. I understand the theory of a smokescreen and what it would hope to accomplish. But no GM in their right mind is going to believe any of the supposed leaks they hear in the media. They (meaning all the GMs) know that none of their colleagues are going to believe any of it either, which makes the entire smokescreen process pointless. In my opinion (and obviously that's all it is), there is no smokescreen. There is simply no point to it. Edited April 30, 2014 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) That whole "preventing the Jets from getting Tavon Austin" thing is total lunacy. It implies that we knew the Jets draft board and which first round players would be better than others. As it turns out they chose the D rookie of the year Sheldon Richardson who is already the best interior lineman in the game. I WISH. they took Austin. It implies nothing other than what I said before. These reports/tweets/etc are leaked out to cause other teams to overvalue/undervalue players to see if you can bluff the other team into picking someone other than what you want. Like I said, the reports of the Jets being high on Austin could have just as likely been a smokescreen. Edited April 30, 2014 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I don't think anyone is actually leaking info. I understand the theory of a smokescreen and what it would hope to accomplish. But no GM in their right mind is going to believe any of the supposed leaks they hear in the media. They (meaning all the GMs) know that none of their colleagues are going to believe any of it either, which makes the entire smokescreen process pointless. In my opinion (and obviously that's all it is), there is no smokescreen. There is simply no point to it. I think that teams use whatever they can to their advantage. If I were the Raiders in my scenario I would be telling anyone that will listen that the Bills are calling me about that pick. I would do what I could to leverage whatever I have. Using the media is not that effective but the conversations that they have with their colleagues are a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I don't think anyone is actually leaking info. I understand the theory of a smokescreen and what it would hope to accomplish. But no GM in their right mind is going to believe any of the supposed leaks they hear in the media. They (meaning all the GMs) know that none of their colleagues are going to believe any of it either, which makes the entire smokescreen process pointless. In my opinion (and obviously that's all it is), there is no smokescreen. There is simply no point to it. But there is a point. A whole industry - the Advertising business is about influencing behavior.. If you hear something long enough & often enough, you start to believe at least some of it. If this weren't so, there would be no Ad business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pafan Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 They have basically said they could trade up, they could trade down, or they could stay put. In a nutshell, they basically haven't said anything at all. And you know what? I believe them. If there is a player available that they want to trade up for and they think the asking price to do so is right, they'll do it. If they are sitting at 9 and like someone there without having any offers that are too good to pass up, they'll draft there. If they are sitting on the clock and someone sees their player has fallen and they must trade up for him (Donald? Barr? Evans? Ebron?), well maybe they'll offer a great package and we trade down. I believe any scenario is equally as likely to happen at this point and I'm ok with all of them. Unlike others here I don't think 38 QBs are going in the first 8 picks; realistically we're probably looking at Clowney, Mack, Watkins, Evans, Bortles, Matthews, Lewan and Robinson being taken before the Bills are up. If the organization has targeted one of those guys they need to be drafting before pick 9, but I don't think that's in the cards (for reasons I'll state further down). If not, they're sort of left with the "second tier" as far as the first round goes: Barr, Gilbert, Shazier, Donald, Clinton-Dix, Ebron, Beckham, Pryor, Mosley, Lee, Roby, Martin and Cooks. Five of those guys were at OBD on visits, so the Bills have done their homework and a) have their choice of this group or b) have the option to move back through the early 20s while still getting one of them. I'm liking a lot of the prospects in the next group of probably 25 picks or so, which I won't list here to save space. Many have been in Buffalo for visits, too... And that leads me to believe they aren't interested in trading up. Giving up a pick in the 25-40 range, when so many of those guys came in for visits, seems like really poor planning and a waste of efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taglientep Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Man can we remember what the draft was like before social media? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 But there is a point. A whole industry - the Advertising business is about influencing behavior.. If you hear something long enough & often enough, you start to believe at least some of it. If this weren't so, there would be no Ad business. I'm sure all kinds of people believe it. Particularly hard core football fans. Just no GMs, at least in my opinion. If they are disseminating false information, why would they believe others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 These rumors are all BS created by websites and reporters to make news. There is no way any organization is leaking info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 These rumors are all BS created by websites and reporters to make news. There is no way any organization is leaking info. When somebody knows something that other people would want to know, it is hard not to divulge it to somebody... I think the Bills are going to trade up, based on all the info out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Or...Whaley is actually smart enough to trade up to get a pure impact player that can possibly become an elite player and get us over the hump per say and into the playoffs THIS year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Most logically anything that comes out predraft is BS.... I swear teams out stuff out there to cover up what is unintentionally leaked out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 It could all be simply that the Bills scouts and Whaley/Marrone/Brandon all like a player. Let's say Sammy Watkins or even Mike Evans. They say to themselves, he's not going to be there at 9. We already have a guy we love in Woods, a speedster in Goodwin, and TWO 7-8 million a year WR next year that it's hard to believe we will keep and pay both. If we can trade Stevie and our #1, would that be enough to move up 3-4 spots in case Watkins is still there at 3-6? Or what else would we need. Or is that enough to trade up two spots to get Evans? We save 6-7 mil this year and almost 20 mil altogether and we can afford M Williams next year. Sure, it's a long shot but what do we have to lose with a couple calls? Lets just call other teams and see what they are looking for. Three separate teams tell reporters that the Bills are looking to move up and suddenly it's a foregone conclusion when they really have no intention of moving up unless they get a ridiculous trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 I believe the bills are simply gauging the market. In a deep draft class, many teams may want to trade down and stockpile picks. That means it's a buyer's market if you want to move up. The Bills are broadcasting their intent so every team 1-8 will want their business. We're getting those eight to compete against each other. This also helps the Bills gauge the market value of the 9th pick in case they want to slide back. By knowing what the opening demands are for 1-8, you know what you can ask from a team below us looking to move up. Not bad ! No, but you have to remember who is leaking this info. If the Bills are trying to get to 5 for example the Raiders are the ones passing this information along. They are hoping to drive up the value of the pick. This ^ is when it gets interesting . Thats peeling it back a layer man. But there are more layers i would suppose. I would not be surprised if some familiar GMs give one another an "assist ". NFL is a Buddy Club of course. Nods and winks are exchanged . And these guys have known each other is some form for years and years. By the way i love this time of year no matter how much it hurts my brain ! Go Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 When somebody knows something that other people would want to know, it is hard not to divulge it to somebody... I think the Bills are going to trade up, based on all the info out there... Probably only Whaley and Marrone know what the truth is. I think those two can keep a secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Probably only Whaley and Marrone know what the truth is. I think those two can keep a secret. There are a lot more people than that in the loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 There are a lot more people than that in the loop. Sure lots of people provide stats,info and wish lists. But only the GM, HC and the Owner make the final call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Sure lots of people provide stats,info and wish lists. But only the GM, HC and the Owner make the final call. This is where we say ? Keep your friends close . Keep your enemies closer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Sure lots of people provide stats,info and wish lists. But only the GM, HC and the Owner make the final call. I am saying that there are a LOT more people that know their intentions. The Bills are a very collaborative organizaton when it comes to decision making. The Bills probably have 30 people that know the plans within the building (scouts, coaches, doctors, etc...). Then take that and extend it to people that they have discussed it with and who they have discussed it with and so on... There are people on this board that are aware of their plans. It doesn't mean that it will happen because crazy things happen during the draft but there are a lot of people that know what they want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmohawk Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 They want to trade up, and the guy they covet is Greg Robinson. He's been compared to hall of famer Orlando Pace. The Bills running game outside the tackles was amongst the worst in the league last year. Give up a second and they can free Spiller to break some homeruns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 When somebody knows something that other people would want to know, it is hard not to divulge it to somebody... I think the Bills are going to trade up, based on all the info out there... It absolutely is not when there are significant consequences on the line. It happens in business every single day. This isn't a 5rd grade "Jimmy likes Missy" gossip situation we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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