dwight in philly Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I can offer an opinion on how one should go about performing brain surgery. However, I would think that the stronger argument would come from those that have spent years studying it. It seems like Benjamin is the most qualified person on this thread to comment on this subject. if you say so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Ha ha...good one. You think too highly of yourself. Looks like benjamin (in bold above) has you pegged to a T. I don't have to be smarter than you to teach you something. I also don't have to be above average intelligence to teach you something. Lastly, I don't have to be above average intelligence to be smarter than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Seriously. As I said, I belonged to a Power Lifting gym where a gay competitor worked out...no, he didn't stare. Yes, I felt totally comfortable showering when he was in the locker room. The reason I felt comfortable was that neither one of us went out of our way to make it weird. He did as any other guy did in the locker room: showered, got dressed, said hi to the people he knew, and didn't stare at other people's nude figures in a creepy fashion. Dude, it was Bally's. You're seriously in denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 if you say so.. Not sure what you are disagreeing with? His 3 social sciences degrees make him more knowledgable on the subject than I am. Everyone is free to give their opinion, some are just more informed than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Not sure what you are disagreeing with? His 3 social sciences degrees make him more knowledgable on the subject than I am. Everyone is free to give their opinion, some are just more informed than others. well, i agree with the operative word "opinion" .. everyone has one, is entitled to one.. and that is why i signed up for this forum.. it is opinion based.. i get tired of all the "non -experts " calling out those who's opinions may differ from their's.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjamin Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Also to your second point. Gender and gender identity are relatively new fields, and poorly understood, if not entirely manufactured. I do not profess to be an expert here, and I have read a good deal of literature and I also cede that there is some truth that GID appears to be a real thing, but as I stated, I did not make any assertions on gender in this thread. It's always interesting when non-experts tell experts stuff. Science changes, yes, and new data is collected because (unlike rocks, chemistry, etc.) the social world changes and is pretty multifaceted. It sure is annoying when people think that the social sciences are therefore, soft or unreal. But only non-scientists so easily disregard thousands of studies and hundreds of thousands of research hours with the wave of a hand and such smug disregard. The Sociologists for Women in Society conference was just in Nashville this past weekend, you should go next year and tell them how a large part of what they do is potentially 'entirely manufactured.' I don't have to be smarter than you to teach you something. I also don't have to be above average intelligence to teach you something. Lastly, I don't have to be above average intelligence to be smarter than you. I completely agree with this sentiment, by the way! I'd be a fool if I didn't! Edited February 10, 2014 by benjamin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanCity Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I have participated in team sports and individual sports with gay athletes and have never seen an issue in the locker room or on the field/court. I don't care one bit if a person is gay or straight. My only opinion of athletes as people is formed in their respect for others. Michael Sam is a courageous individual and one that, I feel, will be an excellent ambassador and, hopefully, allow other athletes to acknowledge their homosexuality publicly without fear. Sport has been as harmful to the equal rights fight as hip hop music, and the opportunity to lead the charge to allow people to express themselves without fear of persecution and intolerance is there. Over the last few years, the media has caught numerous tweets and interviews from athletes expressing outright homophobia and intolerance towards having a gay athlete on their team. This passes down to the youth who look up to these athletes and take their mentality to heart, carrying forth their mindset to the locker room at their grade school, high school and college. Macklemore has done wonders in pop culture and athletes like Michael Sam can do just as much in sports culture. This, in my opinion, was a momentous day in sports history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Dude, it was Bally's. You're seriously in denial. Bally's is practically a Power Lifting gym compared to the Planet Fitness-type places. Look, I've got no issue when a place caters to the non-meat-head/pump-and-tone crowd; totally fine. Where I draw the line is an official edict sent down from corporate that outlaws basic weight lifting staples like squats and deadlifts simply because some members might get intimidated by the big meanies that want to get stronger...and to make it worse, the same outfit turns around and serves pizza, bagels, and donuts to their members as "rewards" for showing up. Sorry...rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Look...who was the greatest linebacker of all time? Dick Buttkiss. Now if that isn't a gay name I just don't know what would be. All boils down to this...can the guy do the job, get us to the playoffs, win us a superbowl? If he can contribute there will be no problem. this is a profession and your advancement in the profession depends on what the team can do, and if Sam can make a significant contribution I say draft him and anyone who doesn't like it can find some other line of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Numark – Hey, Numark, have you ever asked yourself why in any court trial where one side produces and expert psychologist, and the other side does, and that they both have access to the exact same data how either of these two experts could possibly interpret the data so diametrically opposed to each other? Some discipline, eh? Yet benjamin would have us all believe that he’s part of some field of scientists that have the utmost integrity. Not suggesting benjamin doesn’t I don’t know him, but broadly speaking there’s plenty of evidence to prove my point, and I’, willing to let it rest there. Tim- Any research or data can be manipulated. No discipline is immune to that. I don't see your point Edited February 10, 2014 by Numark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 I have participated in team sports and individual sports with gay athletes and have never seen an issue in the locker room or on the field/court. I don't care one bit if a person is gay or straight. My only opinion of athletes as people is formed in their respect for others. Michael Sam is a courageous individual and one that, I feel, will be an excellent ambassador and, hopefully, allow other athletes to acknowledge their homosexuality publicly without fear. This ^ is the bottom line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 well, i agree with the operative word "opinion" .. everyone has one, is entitled to one.. and that is why i signed up for this forum.. it is opinion based.. i get tired of all the "non -experts " calling out those who's opinions may differ from their's.. Fair enough, I am fine with differing to the experts. In terms of opinions everyone is entitled to one. The fact that someone has an issue with a person based solely on whom they love is ignorant and intolerant IMO. Who are we to tell people how to live their lives? I don't know Michael Sam but from everything that I have seen he seems like a good teammate, a good player and a guy that has overcome a lot of personal tragedy. It's not like he is breaking any laws. Sam is brave enough to take this step to potentially open the door for others. I don't know how people could not route for this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Assless chaps. I have literally got tears in my eyes from laughing so hard. I never knew chaps even came with asses. Aren't all chaps assless? But on a serious note, is Nike making these now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tu-Toned Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 who cares. Seems attention seeking to me. I do not approve of that lifestyle, but I don't care how he lives. Can he play football? His life choices are his own. Nail meet head! I also do not approve of that lifestyle, but also could care less. In other news, there will be a fairly huge contingent of heterosexual men entering the draft this May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Nail meet head! I also do not approve of that lifestyle, but also could care less. In other news, there will be a fairly huge contingent of heterosexual men entering the draft this May. Sorry, what is "that lifestyle"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Sorry, what is "that lifestyle"? They don't approve of another human being attracted to another human of the same sex for one reason or another. Apparently it's a lifestyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Sorry, what is "that lifestyle"? You know. It's the one with the "agenda." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Fair enough, I am fine with differing to the experts. In terms of opinions everyone is entitled to one. The fact that someone has an issue with a person based solely on whom they love is ignorant and intolerant IMO. Who are we to tell people how to live their lives? I don't know Michael Sam but from everything that I have seen he seems like a good teammate, a good player and a guy that has overcome a lot of personal tragedy. It's not like he is breaking any laws. Sam is brave enough to take this step to potentially open the door for others. I don't know how people could not route for this guy? i guess , again, depends on how one defines "ignorance" ..in this case the assumption is that anyone who finds homosexuality undesirable is somehow ignorant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) i guess , again, depends on how one defines "ignorance" ..in this case the assumption is that anyone who finds homosexuality undesirable is somehow ignorant? How can there be opposing definitions of ignorance? Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, learning, information, or awareness. Edited February 10, 2014 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 i guess , again, depends on how one defines "ignorance" ..in this case the assumption is that anyone who finds homosexuality undesirable is somehow ignorant? The fact that they care is ignorant (maybe intolerant fits better here). If it is not effecting us and is not illegal I don't know why we should care? It's really not my place to determine who someone else cares for. I live my life and they live theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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