Tiberius Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Yeah, they're just going to call it quits, retire, farm a little bit, maybe read some books. You're a fool if you think legalizing pot is going to put these people out of business. Well, if someone else is selling their crap legally what the hell are they going to do? You are on the same side as the drug cartels, those murderous thugs totally agree with you, keep it illegal! Save us from the pot! Big government save us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 I'm speechless After all this time, that's all it takes to get you to shut the !@#$ up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 After all this time, that's all it takes to get you to shut the !@#$ up? long enough to ponder the situation anyway, and If I get stoned while pondering, it may take even longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Well, if someone else is selling their crap legally what the hell are they going to do? They'll probably sell Avon products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Grow the economy? Stop already. Legalizing pot is about getting easier access. It's not a big deal but stop trying to make it about anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 Grow the economy? Stop already. Legalizing pot is about getting easier access. It's not a big deal but stop trying to make it about anything else. Studies done a fairly long time ago, (over 5 years) had marijuana as the biggest cash crop in the US. Curious, do you think the alcohol Industry is big? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Studies done a fairly long time ago, (over 5 years) had marijuana as the biggest cash crop in the US. Curious, do you think the alcohol Industry is big? that is part if the reason why its not legal yet. If there was a sure fire way that it could be taxed then it'd be legal in all 57 states. That a those in power, be that business or government, cannot break down the workings of this simply and together to get as much money as possible in a "responsible" way is keeping many states from even broaching this. Imagine a state like Michigan finding that they could legalize pot and have $64mm in taxes come in from it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Studies done a fairly long time ago, (over 5 years) had marijuana as the biggest cash crop in the US. Curious, do you think the alcohol Industry is big? I've seen those studies. They compare street value of pot to spot delivery of corn, which isn't even a remotely valid comparison, since that number for pot represents a black market value with immense risk-based "supply chain" costs factored in. By any honest comparison, there is NO way that the 5.5 million pound US marijuana crop even comes close to the 11 billion bushel corn crop. And the entire history of the world shows that when black markets, driven by legality or scarcity, become open, prices drop. There's not going to be any economic growth driven by legalizing marijuana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Now go chew on some nandina then wash it down with a big leaf of fox glow. What is fox glow? Do you mean foxglove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 What is fox glow? Do you mean foxglove? What is fox glow? Do you mean foxglove? autocorrect, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 autocorrect, yes Damn. Foxglow sounded a lot more fun. Oh and don't blame your fat farmer fingers on autocorrect. Foxglove does not get autocorrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Damn. Foxglow sounded a lot more fun. Oh and don't blame your fat farmer fingers on autocorrect. Foxglove does not get autocorrected. Some people do call it Fox glow. Anyway, it's just digitalis. It's still pretty crazy on its effects, though. Medicinal uses Cardiac A group of medicines extracted from foxglove plants are called Digitalin. The use of D. purpurea extract containing cardiac glycosides for the treatment of heart conditions was first described in the English-speaking medical literature by William Withering, in 1785,[8] which is considered the beginning of modern therapeutics.[9][10] It is used to increase cardiac contractility (it is a positive inotrope) and as an antiarrhythmic agent to control the heart rate, particularly in the irregular (and often fast) atrial fibrillation. Digitalis is hence often prescribed for patients in atrial fibrillation, especially if they have been diagnosed with congestive heart failure. Digoxin was approved for heart failure in 1998 under current regulations by the Food and Drug Administration on the basis of prospective, randomized study and clinical trials. It was also approved for the control of ventricular response rate for patients with atrial fibrillation. American College of Cardiology/American Heart Association guidelines recommend digoxin for symptomatic chronic heart failure for patients with reduced systolic function, preservation of systolic function, and/or rate control for atrial fibrillation with a rapid ventricular response. Heart Failure Society of America guidelines for heart failure provide similar recommendations. Despite its relatively recent approval by the Food and Drug Administration and the guideline recommendations, the therapeutic use of digoxin is declining in patients with heart failure—likely the result of several factors. Digoxin has not been promoted by the pharmaceutical industry and has received little attention at national and international meetings—possibly due to the development and promotion of other, newly patented therapies for heart failure. Safety concerns regarding a proposed link between digoxin therapy and increased mortality in women may also be contributing to the decline in therapeutic use of digoxin. Variations A group of pharmacologically active compounds are extracted mostly from the leaves of the second year's growth, and in pure form are referred to by common chemical names, such as digitoxin or digoxin, or by brand names such as Crystodigin and Lanoxin, respectively. The two drugs differ in that digoxin has an additional hydroxyl group at the C-3 position on the B-ring (adjacent to the pentane). Both molecules include a lactone and a triple-repeating sugar called a glycoside. Mechanism of action Digitalis works by inhibiting sodium-potassium ATPase. This results in an increased intracellular concentration of sodium ion and thus a decreased concentration gradient across the cell membrane. This increase in intracellular sodium makes the actions of the Na/Ca exchange pump unfavorable, thereby decreasing sodium influx and calcium efflux via this pump. This gradient-induced inhibition results in a higher cytoplasmic calcium concentration. The increased cytosolic calcium ion concentration results in increased calcium ion storage in the sarcoplasmic reticulum. Upon action potential (cardiac contraction), more calcium is released from the sarcoplasmic reticulum and this gives a positive inotropic effect (higher contractility). Digitalis also has a vagal effect on the parasympathetic nervous system, and as such is used in re-entrant cardiac arrhythmias and to slow the ventricular rate during atrial fibrillation. The dependence on the vagal effect means digitalis is not effective when a patient has a high sympathetic nervous system drive, which is the case with acutely ill persons, and also during exercise. Toxicity Main article: Digoxin toxicity Digitalis toxicity (Digitalis intoxication) results from an overdose of digitalis and causes anorexia, nausea, vomiting and diarrhoea, as well as sometimes resulting in xanthopsia (jaundiced or yellow vision) and the appearance of blurred outlines (halos), drooling, abnormal heart rate, cardiac arrhythmias, weakness, collapse, dilated pupils, tremors, seizures, and even death. Bradycardia also occurs. Because a frequent side effect of digitalis is reduction of appetite, some individuals have used the drug as a weight-loss aid. Digitalis is an example of a drug derived from a plant that was formerly used by folklorists and herbalists; herbalists have largely abandoned its use because of its narrow therapeutic index and the difficulty of determining the amount of active drug in herbal preparations. Once the usefulness of digitalis in regulating the human pulse was understood, it was employed for a variety of purposes, including the treatment of epilepsy and other seizure disorders, which are now considered to be inappropriate treatments. Digitalis purpurea drawings by Franz Köhler Depending on the species, the digitalis plant may contain several deadly physiological and chemically related cardiac and steroidal glycosides. Thus, the digitalis plants have earned several, more sinister, names: dead man’s bells and witch's gloves. The entire plant is toxic (including the roots and seeds). Mortality is rare, but case reports do exist. Most plant exposures occur in children younger than six years and are usually unintentional and without associated significant toxicity. More serious toxicity occurs with intentional ingestions by adolescents and adults.[11] Early symptoms of ingestion include nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea, abdominal pain, wild hallucinations, delirium, and severe headache. Depending on the severity of the toxicosis, the victim may later suffer irregular and slow pulse, tremors, various cerebral disturbances, especially of a visual nature (unusual colour visions (see xanthopsia) with objects appearing yellowish to green, and blue halos around lights), convulsions, and deadly disturbances of the heart. For a case description, see the paper by Lacassie.[12] Vincent van Gogh's "Yellow Period" may have been influenced by digitalis therapy which, at the time, was thought to control seizures. As noted above, other oculotoxic effects of digitalis include generalized blurry vision, as well as seeing a "halo" around each point of light.[13] In some instances, people have confused digitalis with the relatively harmless comfrey (Symphytum ) plant, which is often brewed into a tea, with fatal consequences. Other fatal accidents involve children drinking the water in a vase containing digitalis plants.[14] Drying does not reduce the toxicity of the plant. The plant is toxic to animals, including all classes of livestock and poultry, as well as felines and canines. Digitalis poisoning can cause heart block and either bradycardia (decreased heart rate) or tachycardia (increased heart rate), depending on the dose and the condition of one's heart. Notably, the electric cardioversion (to "shock" the heart) is generally not indicated in ventricular fibrillation in digitalis toxicity, as it can increase the dysrhythmia.[citation needed] Also, the classic drug of choice for ventricular fibrillation in emergency setting,[15] amiodarone, can worsen the dysrhythmia caused by digitalis, therefore, the second-choice drug lidocaine is more commonly used.[citation needed] People would be incredibly surprised to find that a handful of plants around their house could kill them pretty quickly. Oleander, nigh shade, about anything that berries in the winter/evergreen berry, hemlock, most trumpet plants (if not all), castor bean, english yew, morning glories, and on and on. Either way, next time you're at Lowes or Home Depot do what I do and eat some of their blueberries or strawberries when they are ripe. It really freaks out customers, especially little kids, that you eat plants. Or look for Coleus and take a few parts of that and eat it. You can Google it and see what people have said. It's far beyond any Avid, LSD or marijuana high they've ever got. Foxglove does not get autocorrected. On my tablet it did. I hardly hit the right keys anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 On my tablet it did. I hardly hit the right keys anyway. We've noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) I've seen those studies. They compare street value of pot to spot delivery of corn, which isn't even a remotely valid comparison, since that number for pot represents a black market value with immense risk-based "supply chain" costs factored in. By any honest comparison, there is NO way that the 5.5 million pound US marijuana crop even comes close to the 11 billion bushel corn crop. And the entire history of the world shows that when black markets, driven by legality or scarcity, become open, prices drop. There's not going to be any economic growth driven by legalizing marijuana. http://abcnews.go.co...tory?id=2735017 http://stopthedrugwa..._americas_numbe http://www.drugscien.../cashcrops.html Pot sales have probably tripled since these articles came out. Edited January 17, 2014 by dog14787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 http://abcnews.go.co...tory?id=2735017 http://stopthedrugwa..._americas_numbe http://www.drugscien.../cashcrops.html Pot sales have probably tripled since these articles came out. Are you stoned again because you really seem to be stoned again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 http://abcnews.go.co...tory?id=2735017 http://stopthedrugwa..._americas_numbe http://www.drugscien.../cashcrops.html Pot sales have probably tripled since these articles came out. your desire to have legalized marijuana has nothing to do with medical purposes. Just admit you're a loser pothead who wants to be able to keep doing what you're already doing regardless. Pot being legal will not affect you one bit. Your personal army campaign to legalize it has nothing to do with the greater hopes of it medically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Are you stoned again because you really seem to be stoned again. So you are anti-government, but you want to keep in place the stupidest big government waste program there is? Hmmm...you don't want government helping the poor but you want the government to harass and arrest people, mainly the poor? I think I'm beginning to see how you think.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) your desire to have legalized marijuana has nothing to do with medical purposes. Just admit you're a loser pothead who wants to be able to keep doing what you're already doing regardless. Pot being legal will not affect you one bit. Your personal army campaign to legalize it has nothing to do with the greater hopes of it medically. never said it did farm boy Edited January 17, 2014 by dog14787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 never said it did farm boy so the best thing you can do is stop talking about it as you are the anti poster boy for the campaign. Also thanks for the compliment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Duck Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 Are you stoned again because you really seem to be stoned again. yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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