26CornerBlitz Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 A tribute? Could be in protest. It's not like the guy died. Semantics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Tashard Choice may be the nicest guy in the world but he should have been released. CJ and Fred wearing his ubiform. Give me a break. The guy did!nt die, he got released, like someday CJ and Fred will. Tashard belongs on a team in the playoffs with a shot at the SB, because the chances are when he get in a game for whatever reason, he would!nt screw up. The Bills don!t need somebody like that, they need somebody with a upside and a chance to be a star. Give Wingo a chance and see what upside he has. One day CJ and Fred will be gone. Do you want Tashard to be the nuber 1 back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinzChampionshipz Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 No is correct. Choice was on a 1 year deal, so he would affect next year's cap number if was again signed after the season. Byrd cannot sign a new deal after the season due to his franchise tag requires a long-term deal by July 15th. Since they did not reach a deal by then, Byrd can't be signed until then, at which point Choice would be a free agent. Thus the two would never intertwine. I see. Well being that Choice isn't on the team, wouldn't that STILL clear up any cap space next year? He took up some apace this year and granted he will still get paid for this year, wouldn't next year's cap have a bit more room since we WON'T be paying Choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 (edited) I see. Well being that Choice isn't on the team, wouldn't that STILL clear up any cap space next year? He took up some apace this year and granted he will still get paid for this year, wouldn't next year's cap have a bit more room since we WON'T be paying Choice? I'm not 100% on the rules......but assuming his last 4 game cheques won't be paid.....that will save the team $182.5K(minus the minimal 53rd man's contract replacement)......which would then be rolled over onto the 2014 cap. Edited December 5, 2013 by Dibs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I'm not 100% on the rules......but assuming his last 4 game cheques won't be paid.....that will save the team $182.5K(minus the minimal 53rd man's contract replacement)......which would then be rolled over onto the 2014 cap. He's guaranteed his 2013 salary because he's a vested vet. The Bills may be off the hook if he's picked up by another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He's guaranteed his 2013 salary because he's a vested vet. The Bills may be off the hook if he's picked up by another team. Thanks for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I think we will see more of this... I believe the Bills will go into "lets see what we've got" mode now with the Playoffs out of reach. And more power to them for doing so. You were the first to post this sentiment and I think that's part of the decision. Also those who point to Choice's doubtful future with the team in 2014 due to an unfavorable performance to pay ratio are also on point. But the new guy comes in strong: Choice got here because Gailey coached him at Ga Tech and Dallas. He's a professional and he never hurt the team. He just doesn't have any special talents. Just a grinder. With Gailey gone and us out of the playoffs, it makes sense to move on. This also sends a message to the team, not to get too comfortable with your roster spot. Which is good. 1) As I've posted numerous times, Choice is an average back. Average speed, average quickness, average power, average instincts. He's exactly the sort of player who good organizations replace with a late round pick or undrafted free agent. As long as Wingo doesn't make assignment mistakes and does well in pass protection, he's an improvement on Choice. The main factor in cutting Choice is this: The Bills aren't going to cut Stevie Johnson nor are they gonna cut Scott Chandler. Someone had to be the sacrificial lamb. This is called indirect accountability. The blood of Tashard Choice is on the hands of Stevie Johnson and Scott Chandler. The players have been put on notice. This is a wake-up call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oman128 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I'll say one thing for Coach Marrone and and the new GM the Doug Whaley, they keep turning the roster over and trying to bring in better players each and every week there are plenty of guys who were on the week 1&2 roster are long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 (edited) Good thing this happened. It sends the right message, which is "if you don't perform we'll cut a 3rd stringer who has provided solid depth at his position & leadership in the locker room." I just wish it had happened sooner. Without Choice we could be 4-8 right now. The main factor in cutting Choice is this: The Bills aren't going to cut Stevie Johnson nor are they gonna cut Scott Chandler. Someone had to be the sacrificial lamb. This is called indirect accountability. The blood of Tashard Choice is on the hands of Stevie Johnson and Scott Chandler. The players have been put on notice. This is a wake-up call. If this is true we have the dumbest coaching staff in professional sports, quite possibly at any level. Edited December 5, 2013 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Good thing this happened. It sends the right message, which is "if you don't perform we'll cut a 3rd stringer who has provided solid depth at his position & leadership in the locker room." I just wish it had happened sooner. Without Choice we could be 4-8 right now. If this is true we have the dumbest coaching staff in professional sports, quite possibly at any level. It tells players who are currently uncut-able that continued screw-ups will have consequences. Anyone who has followed sports for any length of time has seen analogous moves, whether it be in football, hockey, or any sport. Like it or not, this move sends a message to the locker room. And as I wrote in my first post, there were other reasons that came into play (which you didn't bother to cite). To review: 1) The team knows the playoffs are out of reach and are auditioning young players for the future. 2) Choice had no future with the team. 3) Choice cost too much. 4) Choice added nothing to the team. 5) Choice's release sent a message to the locker room. These were all factors as I've already stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Hey! Anybody notice we got a pretty nice Tight End to fill the roster spot created by tossing Choice to the curb? There's a thread about it somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 It tells players who are currently uncut-able that continued screw-ups will have consequences. Anyone who has followed sports for any length of time has seen analogous moves, whether it be in football, hockey, or any sport. Like it or not, this move sends a message to the locker room. And as I wrote in my first post, there were other reasons that came into play (which you didn't bother to cite). To review: 1) The team knows the playoffs are out of reach and are auditioning young players for the future. 2) Choice had no future with the team. 3) Choice cost too much. 4) Choice added nothing to the team. 5) Choice's release sent a message to the locker room. These were all factors as I've already stated. You forgot the most obvious one. Bills felt Moeaki was ready to play, and Choice was the most logical cut. I don't see how you send a message to Chandler and Johnson by cutting choice. You send them a message by sitting them on the bench like the coach in Foxboro does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Marrone frank on release of Choice Bills head coach Doug Marrone cut a respected player in the locker room in Tashard Choice. Marrone respected him to which is why he took the time to explain to Choice why he was releasing him. “I talked to Tashard,” said Marrone. “Normally those are private conversations, but what I told him was he did not do anything that made us look to do it; it was more of a sense of us trying to better ourselves. “I’ve always appreciated his enthusiasm here. I’ve always appreciated the way he’s gone to work here. But at the end of the day, it happens quite a bit in this business, and it is a business of making sure that you win and you get better. “If we don’t continue to get better and we don’t continue to win games, you’ll be saying that coach Marrone was a good guy but he didn’t get it done, and I don’t mean that in a comical way, I mean it as very straightforward and truthful.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 5) Choice's release sent a message to the locker room. This is the one that makes no sense. How does cutting a guy who didn't screw up send a message to those who did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Front Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Marrone is pretty awesome. I can't imagine Failey or Skeletor saying anything like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 The main factor in cutting Choice is this: Someone had to be the sacrificial lamb. This is called indirect accountability. The blood of Tashard Choice is on the hands of Stevie Johnson and Scott Chandler. The players have been put on notice. This is a wake-up call. If any of this is actually true, as to the reason Tashard Choice got cut .... then Doug Marrone is an idiot and a crappy coach and leader. Why would cutting a 3rd string RB send a message? To whom? Who gets woken up when a guy who gets less than 3 carries per game gets cut? What coach says, "you know what ... two guys, a WR and a TE, fumbled and we lost a game. Therefore, I'm going to cut a guy who a) has never made an impact, good or bad, in any game and b) had nothing to do with us losing the game. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying if you're right, this team is in schit load of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Marrone is pretty awesome. I can't imagine Failey or Skeletor saying anything like that. I don't know. Reading that quote, seemed like he said a whole lot of nothing. We are looking to get better. I think everyone knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 i really havent followed the wingo story line at all - its almost certainly the case though. Is there a Wingo story line? LOL It tells players who are currently uncut-able that continued screw-ups will have consequences. Anyone who has followed sports for any length of time has seen analogous moves, whether it be in football, hockey, or any sport. Like it or not, this move sends a message to the locker room. And as I wrote in my first post, there were other reasons that came into play (which you didn't bother to cite). To review: 1) The team knows the playoffs are out of reach and are auditioning young players for the future. 2) Choice had no future with the team. 3) Choice cost too much. 4) Choice added nothing to the team. 5) Choice's release sent a message to the locker room. These were all factors as I've already stated. Or, as Marrone's comments clarify, they pounced on the opportunity to pick up a productive tight end and needed a roster spot in order to facilitate that acquisition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Such a shame. I was pro-Choice. Luv this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Or, as Marrone's comments clarify, they pounced on the opportunity to pick up a productive tight end and needed a roster spot in order to facilitate that acquisition. True but if Chandler hadn't fumbled the ball, none of this shyt storm would have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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