Drop Kick Flutie Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Cycling - Lance Armstrong Baseball - 1/4 of the league on HGH Soccer - Italia Serie A match fixing NBA - referee point shaving NFL - Spygate I, Spygate II Boxing - a high number of controversial decisions Olympics - http://www.history.c...olympic-history Go to 3:17 of this Japanese broadcast of SB25. Jim Kelly has just spiked the ball to kill the clock after a Thurman Thomas draw brings the Bills to the Giants 29 yard line with :08 to go. Norwood runs out on to the field with Reich as his holder to setup for the kick. Parcells calls a time out to ice Norwood, and screams for "JERRY" to get over and talk to him. The presumed swap-out occurs at this point. The ball Kelly spiked was not the field goal ball, hence the swap to the tainted ball. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5ieYs4uow http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/ball Twelve (12) new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked with the letter "k" and used exclusively for the kicking game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/ball Twelve (12) new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked with the letter "k" and used exclusively for the kicking game. I do not think that rule was in the rulebook for XXV??? Wasn't that added later so the kickers wouldn't work the footballs up? Hence, they could kick them farther, especially on kick offs. What year did that go into effect? Anyway... Don't the Giants have the ball and something else of Norwood's? On display @ their stadium? That is like the North Koreans and the USS Pueblo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drop Kick Flutie Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Peyton Manning thinks they do. Pats center Dan Koppen always used to keep a dummy set of pads in his locker and use a second set for the game when he played on the road, it's not surprising players are suspicious of any other team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Front Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 The Pats lose Wilfork and Mayo, start a bunch of scrubs at those positions and nothing slows them down. Rookie, unheard of WR's? No problem. Losing Gonzalez and Gronk? No problem. They could lose Brady and they'd still win all the time. Something about Bellicheat and Ernie Adams just doesn't seem right. One thing I have long suspected is that Brady's headset doesn't turn off during the plays. He usually seems to find open receivers and he always avoid taking broadside sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 The Pats lose Wilfork and Mayo, start a bunch of scrubs at those positions and nothing slows them down. Rookie, unheard of WR's? No problem. Losing Gonzalez and Gronk? No problem. They could lose Brady and they'd still win all the time. Something about Bellicheat and Ernie Adams just doesn't seem right. One thing I have long suspected is that Brady's headset doesn't turn off during the plays. He usually seems to find open receivers and he always avoid taking broadside sacks. That is why they need to get rid headsets stat. The potential for cheating is too great. If there was cheating going on, one would never know @ ALL... Ever... It could never be exposed. The doubt is too great and it will never be erased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 The Pats lose Wilfork and Mayo, start a bunch of scrubs at those positions and nothing slows them down. Rookie, unheard of WR's? No problem. Losing Gonzalez and Gronk? No problem. They could lose Brady and they'd still win all the time. Something about Bellicheat and Ernie Adams just doesn't seem right. One thing I have long suspected is that Brady's headset doesn't turn off during the plays. He usually seems to find open receivers and he always avoid taking broadside sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) Think about it. Having a QB wired is like having a pitcher wired to his coach/manager or the dugout... Imagine the stats and advice they can give him... Headsets are a joke... Edited December 4, 2013 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Think about it. Having a QB wired is like having a pitcher wired to his coach/manager or the dugout... Imagine the stats and advice they can give him... Headsets are a joke... Or he could just look at his catcher... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 All talk about cheating aside, I look at these photographs in the way I admire a Rembrandt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 payback for the cheating allegations? http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bill-belichick-insults-york-jets-170000545--nfl.html then linked to http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/the_blitz/2013/12/bill_belichick_takes_a_hilarious_shot_at_the_jets_this_morning "I was there for five years," Belichick said. "It was five important years in my life, for myself, my family and all that. Obviously, we've all moved on, and I have a job to do here and that's where my loyalty is, is to Robert (Kraft), the Patriots organization and this football team. So it's no different than how I feel, honestly, about the Colts, or the Lions or the Broncos. I feel differently about the Jets. We won't put them in that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 payback for the cheating allegations? http://sports.yahoo....00545--nfl.html then linked to http://bostonherald....ts_this_morning "I was there for five years," Belichick said. "It was five important years in my life, for myself, my family and all that. Obviously, we've all moved on, and I have a job to do here and that's where my loyalty is, is to Robert (Kraft), the Patriots organization and this football team. So it's no different than how I feel, honestly, about the Colts, or the Lions or the Broncos. I feel differently about the Jets. We won't put them in that category. It's just as likely that Belichick's hatred for all things green stems back to 2000 when he refused to babysit the Jets HC job for Parcells and quit on them only to then have his mental health and coaching capability publicly questioned by Jets President Steve Gutman. That this all ended up in Belichick having to also relinquish a mid 1st rounder to the Jets surely didn't help matters any. He's loathed them ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 The Pats lose Wilfork and Mayo, start a bunch of scrubs at those positions and nothing slows them down. Rookie, unheard of WR's? No problem. Losing Gonzalez and Gronk? No problem. They could lose Brady and they'd still win all the time. Something about Bellicheat and Ernie Adams just doesn't seem right. One thing I have long suspected is that Brady's headset doesn't turn off during the plays. He usually seems to find open receivers and he always avoid taking broadside sacks. Who checks to make sure they do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 (edited) Who checks to make sure they do? heres some info on the current system, and references an nfl frequency coordinator that monitors everything: http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/tech/post/_/id/2573/robert-griffin-iii-helmet first few paragraphs are about the suspicions and beliefs of players/fans, the second half is the actual technology and discussion of whats vulnerable and how it would have to happen Edited December 5, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 O'Leary's book brings up Doug Flutie's radio interview quote that during his Patriette career he once picked up another's QB helmet and was shocked to hear the booth seeming to keep talking to the QB well beyond the League-mandated cutoff point. This interview took place right after Spygate and apparently when approached on it afterwards Flutie decided to clam up about it with "no comments". The book also links to other articles that discuss how right after Spygate the League found that Patriette headsets had two frequencies/channels instead of the League-mandated one, which may explain how they were doing what Flutie seemed to be alleging.... heres some info on the current system, and references an nfl frequency coordinator that monitors everything: http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/tech/post/_/id/2573/robert-griffin-iii-helmet first few paragraphs are about the suspicions and beliefs of players/fans, the second half is the actual technology and discussion of whats vulnerable and how it would have to happen Rod Marinelli and Jack Del Rio have each accused the Cheats* of this (headsets at Gillette going out on key plays late in a game) in the past Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 What has this League become? Remember when QB's were mocked for wearing wrist bands w/the plays on it! Now it is open book test for everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 They were caught and penalized. End of story. I hate them just as much as everyone else. All this thread sounds like is sour grapes. For everyone here that thinks they still cheat, I've got some more conspiracy theories for you guys to go nuts with. 1. We never landed on the moon. 2. Pop rocks and Pepsi can kill you, it killed Mikey from those old cereal commercials. 3. Elvis is alive. 4. A magic bullet killed Kennedy. 5. The pyramids were built by aliens. 6. Obama isn't an American. 7. A guy hung himself in a background of a scene in The Wizard of Oz. GO BILLS! What has this League become? Remember when QB's were mocked for wearing wrist bands w/the plays on it! Now it is open book test for everyone! Yeah. They also ran kindergarten offenses compared to what they run now. The game is so much more complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 They were caught and penalized. End of story. I hate them just as much as everyone else. All this thread sounds like is sour grapes. For everyone here that thinks they still cheat, I've got some more conspiracy theories for you guys to go nuts with. 1. We never landed on the moon. 2. Pop rocks and Pepsi can kill you, it killed Mikey from those old cereal commercials. 3. Elvis is alive. 4. A magic bullet killed Kennedy. 5. The pyramids were built by aliens. 6. Obama isn't an American. 7. A guy hung himself in a background of a scene in The Wizard of Oz. GO BILLS! Yeah. They also ran kindergarten offenses compared to what they run now. The game is so much more complex. So, then go back to kindergarten offenses! Again... It doesn't matter. Could you ever dream of a pitcher/catcher wired w/the clubhouse! LoL Football is a joke as we know it! The game is bigger, faster, more high tech... BUT does it make it better? I say a big: NO! Not better @ all. The San Diego game in BFLO where power was lost because of the mylar balloon was a rare treat! Then when power was restored, let the noise pollution rule! They had to cram all the ad time into the last remaining minutes. Maybe all games should be played without power? The clutter nowadays is overwhelming! One can just imagine the joke that is going on in those headsets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 So, then go back to kindergarten offenses! Again... It doesn't matter. Could you ever dream of a pitcher/catcher wired w/the clubhouse! LoL Football is a joke as we know it! The game is bigger, faster, more high tech... BUT does it make it better? I say a big: NO! Not better @ all. The San Diego game in BFLO where power was lost because of the mylar balloon was a rare treat! Then when power was restored, let the noise pollution rule! They had to cram all the ad time into the last remaining minutes. Maybe all games should be played without power? The clutter nowadays is overwhelming! One can just imagine the joke that is going on in those headsets. Lol. Luddite! Fair enough. Preferences are ppreferences. I'll admit I gave up on baseball. I don't have the 6 hours it takes to watch one game only to have the team I'm rooting for lose on a call that could easily be corrected by the use of replay. And the only reason the right call can't be made is that "it's how it has always been." Great reasoning by baseball. Don't change archaic rules for the sake of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Yet again....tale of 2 halves. blanked into the half....at Gillette.....big comeback 2nd half. interesting. ....I'm sure all the Brady fan boys will use the he's just so awesome rubber stamp excuse. some more hot and awesome ADJUSTMENTS by BB....He too is just better. Gift PI call from the shield...ices it. The league is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 (edited) O'Leary's book brings up Doug Flutie's radio interview quote that during his Patriette career he once picked up another's QB helmet and was shocked to hear the booth seeming to keep talking to the QB well beyond the League-mandated cutoff point. This interview took place right after Spygate and apparently when approached on it afterwards Flutie decided to clam up about it with "no comments". The book also links to other articles that discuss how right after Spygate the League found that Patriette headsets had two frequencies/channels instead of the League-mandated one, which may explain how they were doing what Flutie seemed to be alleging.... Rod Marinelli and Jack Del Rio have each accused the Cheats* of this (headsets at Gillette going out on key plays late in a game) in the past One thing I will never understand his how Brady gets off Scott free from the stain of cheating. I firmly believe he benefitted by learning the position of qb (for years) under a system of cheating that at a minimum allowed him to know what the defense was before the ball was snapped, and possibly even more insidiously being given instructions in his head set up and maybe even through the snap. Imagine how many talented qbs could have developed into great ones with this unbelievable advantage to not only win games but also master the position. Barry bonds and mark McGwire are ostracized for being cheaters but Brady is still mentioned as being one of the best ever - when he did it in a known pervasive system of cheating for years????? Edited December 8, 2013 by stevewin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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