DC Tom Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 That's just not true. For so many reasons. Your point about where to draw the line is great, because the fact that many people won't be cut off from medical coverage keeps them from crossing the line to poverty cause insurance companies can't cut people off anymore. Can the GOP really just say it's ok to cut people off? The Tea Party will say hell yes, please, let's let them die, please! But that's part of the reason why the tea party is so unpopular For what? Are you talking about B and his white power message board he had a link to? What the !@#$ is this bull ****? Insurance companies can't just cut people off any more? Have you slept through the past three months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 What the !@#$ is this bull ****? Insurance companies can't just cut people off any more? Have you slept through the past three months? C'mon, what's 14,000,000 people losing their insurance because of a poorly constructed law? The Dummies kept the Executive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 C'mon, what's 14,000,000 people losing their insurance because of a poorly constructed law? The Dummies kept the Executive! But the good news - the really good news, I mean the really-really good news is that 1.1 million of them actually signed up for healthcare on the Government's exchange between Oct 1 and the deadline. Well, er, uh, the latest deadline - which is the one that's most important... isn't it? Hey, it's sunny and 78 in Hawaii! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Dean: Individual Mandate ‘Not Necessary’ The individual mandate, one of Obamacare’s key provisions, isn’t all that necessary after all, according to Howard Dean. He also told CNBC that the number of young people enrolling on the exchanges “doesn’t really matter that much” either. “The individual mandate was not necessary and it’s probably a big political thing, and that is going to hurt the Democrats because people don’t like to be told what to do by the government no matter what party they’re in,” the former Democratic National Committee chairman said on Monday. WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION, THE KEY QUESTIONS USUALLY ARE: CMS claims December enrollment surge, leaves key questions unanswered. About 1.1 million Americans picked a plan through the federally run health insurance exchange as of Dec. 24 as part of President Obama’s health care program, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services announced Sunday. But the announcement, which came in the form of a blog post from CMS administrator Marilyn Tavenner, left many key questions unanswered. To start, the figure doesn’t reveal how many people actually paid for health plans as of Dec. 24. Though payment is what typically makes enrollment official, up to this point, CMS has counted people as being “enrolled” if they merely went through the process of picking a health care plan. Additionally, CMS still hasn’t provided a demographic breakdown of those who have signed up for insurance through the exchange, which is a key metric for measuring the success of Obamacare, because the exchanges need a critical mass of young and healthy individuals to offset the cost of covering older and sicker enrollees and those with pre-existing conditions. If the news were good, they’d be trumpeting it. They’re not trumpeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Obviously the law is too complex and the only answer is Medicare for everyone at any age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 About 1.1 million Americans picked a plan through the federally run health insurance exchange as of Dec. 24 as part of President Obama’s health care program, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services announced Sunday.But the announcement, which came in the form of a blog post from CMS administrator Marilyn Tavenner, left many key questions unanswered. To start, the figure doesn’t reveal how many people actually paid for health plans as of Dec. 24. Though payment is what typically makes enrollment official, up to this point, CMS has counted people as being “enrolled” if they merely went through the process of picking a health care plan. Additionally, CMS still hasn’t provided a demographic breakdown of those who have signed up for insurance through the exchange, which is a key metric for measuring the success of Obamacare, because the exchanges need a critical mass of young and healthy individuals to offset the cost of covering older and sicker enrollees and those with pre-existing conditions. Two things jump out there: 1) If they're counting people who "shopped," and not those who actually purchased...aren't they then just measuring usage of the site, and confusing it with fiscal success. That is, are we back to measuring "eyeballs" as a metric of success, like in the late '90s? 2) Can HHS even track who actually purchases? Don't the purchasers pay the insurance companies directly, and HHS/IRS has to rely in the insurers to tell them who actually purchases insurance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Two things jump out there: 1) If they're counting people who "shopped," and not those who actually purchased...aren't they then just measuring usage of the site, and confusing it with fiscal success. That is, are we back to measuring "eyeballs" as a metric of success, like in the late '90s? 2) Can HHS even track who actually purchases? Don't the purchasers pay the insurance companies directly, and HHS/IRS has to rely in the insurers to tell them who actually purchases insurance? Certainly good questions sir. The Sunday afternoon announcement by CMS doesn't really address any specifics (big surprise) other than the 1.1 million figure. Hopefully someone in the media will ask. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Hopefully someone in the media will ask. I'm sure the NY Times will be all over asking the hard questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I'm sure the NY Times will be all over asking the hard questions. Undoubtedly the NYT will report that after an extensive investigation, healthcare.gov never had any problems working ever and all that 404 stuff wasn't really an error but a link to a support hotline in Atlanta. This will be followed by gatorman telling everyone the NYT is accurate because he actually dialed 404 last week and someone answered the phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Dean: Individual Mandate ‘Not Necessary’ The individual mandate, one of Obamacare’s key provisions, isn’t all that necessary after all, according to Howard Dean. He also told CNBC that the number of young people enrolling on the exchanges “doesn’t really matter that much” either. “The individual mandate was not necessary and it’s probably a big political thing, and that is going to hurt the Democrats because people don’t like to be told what to do by the government no matter what party they’re in,” the former Democratic National Committee chairman said on Monday. WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION, THE KEY QUESTIONS USUALLY ARE: CMS claims December enrollment surge, leaves key questions unanswered. About 1.1 million Americans picked a plan through the federally run health insurance exchange as of Dec. 24 as part of President Obama’s health care program, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services announced Sunday. But the announcement, which came in the form of a blog post from CMS administrator Marilyn Tavenner, left many key questions unanswered. To start, the figure doesn’t reveal how many people actually paid for health plans as of Dec. 24. Though payment is what typically makes enrollment official, up to this point, CMS has counted people as being “enrolled” if they merely went through the process of picking a health care plan. Additionally, CMS still hasn’t provided a demographic breakdown of those who have signed up for insurance through the exchange, which is a key metric for measuring the success of Obamacare, because the exchanges need a critical mass of young and healthy individuals to offset the cost of covering older and sicker enrollees and those with pre-existing conditions. If the news were good, they’d be trumpeting it. They’re not trumpeting. Howard Dean is a retard. the Individual Mandate is the Sun to the ACA's Univserse.... the private insurance system doesn't work unless the payors balance out the claimers.... If anything this is an underhanded way of saying "its stratgeic failure, we really want Single Payor" You passed the convuluted, inneficient ACA private insurance plan scheme Dean, you make it work now. Own it, I am tired of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 You passed the convuluted, inneficient ACA private insurance plan scheme Dean, you make it work now. Own it, I am tired of it. Howard Dean is the equivalent of the Bills fans trying to explain that the reason the Bills didn't make the playoffs is because the opposing teams didn't do enough to lose to the BIlls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Howard Dean is the equivalent of the Bills fans trying to explain that the reason the Bills didn't make the playoffs is because the opposing teams didn't do enough to lose to the BIlls. yes... but is there any team in the NFL, that year after year, has as much potential to turn the corner as out beloved Bills... next season is ours... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Howard Dean is the equivalent of the Bills fans trying to explain that the reason the Bills didn't make the playoffs is because the opposing teams didn't do enough to lose to the BIlls. Maybe Ralph can change the scores of a few games via conference call... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 OBAMACARE: 2013′s problems won’t hold a candle to 2014′s. Why the press can't put a happy spin on OBAMACARE: “You can only cherry-pick where there are some cherries.” Ted Cruz: No, I’m not sorry for trying to stop the ObamaCare train wreck. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Maybe Obama could have soved his obvious lack of leadership and executive experience by hiring Mitt Romney to be his CEO while he ran off and did his King-like stuff. http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/obamacare-obama-management-experts-101620.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Maybe Obama could have soved his obvious lack of leadership and executive experience by hiring Mitt Romney to be his CEO while he ran off and did his King-like stuff. http://www.politico....rts-101620.html The raid that killed Osama bin Laden may not have been, as Vice President Joe Biden said, the most “audacious plan” in 500 years. Biden really said that? How the hell did I ever miss that gem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Biden really said that? How the hell did I ever miss that gem? I wonder what happened 600 years ago that was more audacious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I wonder what happened 600 years ago that was more audacious. Jeanne d'Arc at the siege of Orleans. Or Tamerlane's defeat of the Ottomans at Ankara. With Joe, it's tough to know which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Jeanne d'Arc at the siege of Orleans. Or Tamerlane's defeat of the Ottomans at Ankara. With Joe, it's tough to know which. I'm not sure either of those qualify as a "big [f'in] deal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Not So Happy New Year Here is a holiday tale to chill the soul. The Little Sisters of the Poor are an order of Catholic nuns dedicated to caring for the elderly poor. They do this in about 30 homes across the country, where they take in the neediest members of our society, and care for them with compassion, love, and dignity until they die. Despite their obvious religious nature, the Obama administration refuses to treat the Little Sisters as “religious employers” under its contraceptive mandate. The IRS will therefore begin fining the Sisters tomorrow, unless and until the Sisters help facilitate government programs to distribute abortion-inducing drugs and devices. The fines will be massive, and amount to millions of dollars a year taken from the elderly poor and pocketed by the federal government. Unfortunately, late today the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals denied the Little Sisters relief from the Mandate—it said they should just sign and deliver the forms that their religion tells them not to sign. Now, as 2013 winds to a close, the Little Sisters will be filing an emergency application to Justice Sotomayor, seeking protection from IRS fines that will otherwise start accruing in a few hours. The holidays are a time of love, hope, and charity—the values the Little Sisters exemplify every day as they care for the old and the dying. It is a terrible shame that the Sisters have been forced to spend part of their Christmas praying for emergency relief against their own government, and must now await the start of 2014 with fear of IRS fines. . "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have." . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts