K-9 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) Well, I could have posted it without attributing it to anyone and pretended that it was my own work, but my name isn't lyrbob. The OP was an actual test to see how many posters here had the intelligence and discipline to judge the message and not the messenger. Congratulations, you're in the majority. I get that you were just trolling, but on the chance you really were interested in the opinions people had of the content of the message, I thought I'd offer some constructive criticism. According to your communication 101 (sounds right out of some college textbook) that is impossible. It was out of a college textbook...thirty years ago. It's now elementary. And no, it's not impossible at all to conduct 3rd's experiment according to that communications dynamic. In fact, it's essential to the test of whether or not people can actually judge the merits of the message without the inherent biases we all have. Edited June 9, 2013 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 And no, it's not impossible at all to conduct 3rd's experiment according to that comminications dynamic. In fact, it's essential to the test of whether or not people can actually judge the merits of the message without the inherent biases we all have. In principle, maybe. In practice...Limbaugh is a rabble-rouser. "The message" is demagougery, by definition inseparable from the messenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 In principle, maybe. In practice...Limbaugh is a rabble-rouser. "The message" is demagougery, by definition inseparable from the messenger. That's precisely my point. If 3rd had not attributed the message, he would have stood a better chance of succeeding in what he asked for in his op. But like I said, I get that he was just trolling but I thought I'd offer him advice on the off chance he really WAS interested in separating the message from the messenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 9, 2013 Author Share Posted June 9, 2013 Well, we're on the second page and no one has an opinion regarding a coup d'etat going down, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Well, we're on the second page and no one has an opinion regarding a coup d'etat going down, eh? I thought I made my position clear in post #6... Let me rephrase I guess... I don't believe Valerie Jarrett has any intent to leave office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 I thought I made my position clear in post #6... Let me rephrase I guess... I don't believe Valerie Jarrett has any intent to leave office. That's right, you did. Did the fact that the message came from Limbaugh make it extremely difficult for you to judge the message itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Well, we're on the second page and no one has an opinion regarding a coup d'etat going down, eh? Losing America By Peter Kirsanow June 10, 2013 How much more will Americans take? The “fundamental transformation” of America proceeds apace. The erosion of our freedoms and traditions, once incremental and barely perceptible, accelerates daily. Armies of bureaucrats commanded by political ideologues remarkable mainly for their galactic incompetence intrude on ever more aspects of our lives — aspects both large and small. They tell us what light bulbs we’re allowed to use and how much water we may flush. They stick swabs in our mouths to collect our DNA and order us to buy health insurance we don’t want. They can seize our land if they think they know how to use it better, or stop us from using our land because a favored amphibian might live there too. We obediently take off our belts and shoes, shuffle silently into plastic cubicles and stand meekly by as our toddlers and grandmothers are patted and groped by drones of the state. Rarely does anyone peep. Not long ago a tiny mayor wouldn’t dare tell eight New Yorkers — let alone 8 million — how much soda they’re allowed to drink. . . . . . .. No more. Now an administration that may have used the IRS to punish its opponents, disclose confidential information, and suppress dissent assures us we needn’t be concerned that the same IRS is on the cusp of having access to every single intimate detail of our medical lives. And it doesn’t stop even at medical information. We learn they may have been harvesting all of our phone records, our e-mail traffic, our video chats, our transaction histories — even though they have not a shred of evidence we’ve done the slightest thing wrong. Trust us, they say, it’s for your own good; a sovereign imperative, essential for national security. This from a government that freely lets millions cross our borders illegally without bothering to find out even the slightest detail about them. The decreasing number of Americans who protest are derided by bien pensants as bitter xenophobes who cling to guns and religion, despite the best efforts of those bien pensants to eradicate both. Popular culture cows ordinary people into silence or at most, political correctness, for fear of being labeled a kook, a racist, or paranoid. Journalists, instead of acting as watchdogs, collude to withhold information and promote partisan agendas. Increasingly, American policies seem to be shaped less by the consent of the governed than by the needs and inertia of the leviathan state. Tocqueville observed that “the species of oppression by which democratic nations is menaced” produces a neutered populace where rugged individualism succumbs invariably to the dictates of the state. And even some conservatives rationalize that it’s all for the public good; move along, nothing to see here. So dispirited citizens are ordered to provide abortifacients to their employees and must disclose the content of their prayers to a government that seems to hold them in contempt for believing in something beyond a benevolent state. Government officials, on the other hand, needn’t deign tell us what they’re up to and why. They can send you into harm’s way and needn’t explain why they didn’t bother to rescue you. Free people never trust their government with power, regardless of who’s in power. Free people instinctively reject the idea that just because something’s legal, it’s a good idea for the government to do it. And while free people are willing to make considered, wise tradeoffs for security, they believe that freedom isn’t risk-free. What else are we willing to forfeit because the encroachment is, or may be, lawful and supported by the elites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Barack Obama is neither smart enough nor competent enough to do anything but lay low for the next three years and go on a book/speaking tour when it's over. There was a time I thought like you, but you can't look at or listen to him without realizing he's propped up by people like Valeria Jarrett in an obscure version of Weekend at Barack's. This^ I would only add that Barack Obama is an empty headed nobody. He is the sum of his political handlers. He has no ideas. Obama can barely speak without a teleprompter - even now. Rush Limbaugh and the Right like portray Obama as a dictator. The Left like to portray Obama as a savior. He is neither. Obama was a pothead in high school and cruised through college/law school on affirmative action. Obama's purpose is to read words off of a teleprompter. Words written by his political handlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Reminds me of a story.... If you drop a frog in boiling water it would jump right out. If you drop the same frog into room temperature water and very slowly heat the water it will sit there and boil to death. No idea if there is truth to it but you get the message... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 Reminds me of a story.... If you drop a frog in boiling water it would jump right out. If you drop the same frog into room temperature water and very slowly heat the water it will sit there and boil to death. No idea if there is truth to it but you get the message... Hopefully they're good and caught after trying to crank the temperature up too quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Paranoia will destroy ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 Paranoia will destroy ya. So, you have no major concerns over all that the government has been up to? What about the coverups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 The theme song of the wacky right: "...All day long I think of things but nothing seems to satisfy Think I'll lose my mind if I don't find something to pacify Can you help me occupy my brain? Oh yeah I need someone to show me the things in life that I can't find I can't see the things that make true happiness, I must be blind..." Paranoia will destroy ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizza Joe Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 The theme song of the wacky right: "...All day long I think of things but nothing seems to satisfy Think I'll lose my mind if I don't find something to pacify Can you help me occupy my brain? Oh yeah I need someone to show me the things in life that I can't find I can't see the things that make true happiness, I must be blind..." Being new to the board maybe you can help me? I see you have a lot of posts. They can't all have been as senseless as this one, right? Also, is it common place to wash each other's balls here like you did with this Frinkle guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Without disparaging the messenger, what comments do you have pertaining to the actual message? http://www.rushlimba...f_a_coup_d_etat "I have to tell you when I'm listening to all the smart people tell me this, my mind is about to explode, and I'm saying, "Do these people not realize what we just learned in the last three weeks?" We got the IRS starting in 2010 taking action to suppress the political involvement and ultimately votes of Tea Party people and conservative Republicans. This regime, this government, on the orders of the highest level. In fact, that investigation is ongoing. We have Fast and Furious. We have Obamacare. The evidence of the totalitarian nature or the authoritarian nature of this administration is on display undeniably every day and yet in the midst of this, "Well, don't go off half cocked on this, Rush. Be very levelheaded. Nothing really to see," as though there's no context here. It made me once again understand, folks, what you and I are up against here. There are just way too many people -- and I'm talking about on our side -- who do not want to admit what we face, who do not want to engage or admit or whatever what we really face here. It matters. This kind of stuff matters because of who the people doing it happen to be. It's one thing if Colonel Sanders would be collecting all this data, but it's not Colonel Sanders. It's Barack Obama and everybody that works for him, and we know who they are and we know what their goals are. We know what their intentions are. Folks, here's the thing, I guess, that gets me. I mentioned Herbert Meyer. We interviewed him for the Limbaugh Letter a few short months ago. Herbert Meyer was in the national security apparatus during the Reagan administration. He was a good friend of Ronald Reagan, and was instrumental in establishing Reagan administration policies that brought down the Soviet Union. The big news to him that's really noteworthy, we talked about it, is that he thinks that the world's coming out of poverty. And it is a big story, The Economist in London had a big story on it recently. We mentioned it to you, and it's a great testament to capitalism. It's not socialism, it's not welfare, it's not compassion and it's not the redistribution of wealth. It's not high taxes that are bringing people out of poverty. It's capitalism, and none other than a leftist publication in London had to admit it. Well, Herb Meyer was the first to sound this notice some months ago. I also mentioned he wrote a piece that currently is in the American Thinker earlier this week, and it had the potential to be controversial because he used Adolf Hitler and Nazism in it, and it was his way of explaining, he made a point in the piece that nowhere, you know, people looking for a smoking gun to nail Obama on all these scandals, Herb says, "Ain't gonna be one." He said whether you believe it or not, there is not one document linking Adolf Hitler to the holocaust. Adolf Hitler never put it on paper what he intended to do. There is no smoking gun. And yet what happened? We know that the Nazis engaged in the Holocaust. Herb Meyer's point was that the people Hitler hired didn't have to be told. They didn't have to be given instructions. All they had to do was listen to what Hitler was saying. All they had to do was listen to what his objectives were. And he said the same thing's happening here with this administration. He went to great pains to say: I'm not calling this administration a bunch of Nazis. I'm just using this as an illustration. I know people will get my point if I use something this notorious, the Nazi regime. It's a point that I've made here about the IRS. They say, "Well, you can't link it in to Obama." You don't need to link Obama to it. He hired these people. Lois Lerner and everybody at the IRS who's doing this is doing everything they can to please Obama. There's not gonna be a smoking gun, but you don't need a smoking gun to know where this administration's doing what it's doing. Obama puts people in positions that mirror him. Eric Holder, you name it, they're doing Obama's bidding. Everybody. Susan Rice and Samantha Power, they are Obama, and there's a context for what's happening. Herbert Meyer, if I may quote him again, asserted that essentially what's taking place in the United States right now is a coup, not a violent coup, and not a million artistic coup, but nevertheless a takeover of a government, and it's being done by the Obama administration. He referred to it as a coup. I don't know if he used the word "peaceful," but clearly there's a coup d'etat going. You know it and I know it. This is what animates us. This is why the Tea Party exists. This country was founded on certain concepts, principles, beliefs -- and they're under assault. Chief among them under assault is the right to privacy, and that's what all this is about. So in the midst of this coup d'etat... I happen to like that formulation." There's much more to the transcript at the link. Its concerning that the Government seems to be digging deeper and deeper into the personal matter of Americans, but to be honest, I just assumed post 9/11 that this sort of activity was going on.... I assumed that is why the Patriot Act was passed and enjoyed a continuation through this adminstration, to "connect those dots" that everybody was concerned with after the Towers fell. Honestly, I find the targeting of political opponents through one of the largest adminstrative arms of the Fed, the IRS, much more disturbing than the NSA collecting phone numbers and analyzing for suspicious activity... I understood the rationale for the Dept of HS and the Patriot Act post 9/11 and on goign as we fight a war against terrorist networks- the big question is whether the Law and the Creation of the Dept of HS has really made up any safer when you consider the intrusions we have endured? As far as Coup, I don't know- I listenedd to Rush on vacation a few weeks ago while int he car, he is a rebel rouser and needs ratings and listeners, so I take his ramlbing with a grain of salt..... I listed becuase I want a gilmpse into what the far right is thinking on various subjects.... I assume there are articles that, if you go back and dig, than Bush and Cheney were evil masterminds that were attempting a Coup D'etat against the American People, blah, blah, blah.... Truth be told, if any of the scandals implicate the President directly, then he should be held to account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Being new to the board maybe you can help me? I see you have a lot of posts. They can't all have been as senseless as this one, right? Also, is it common place to wash each other's balls here like you did with this Frinkle guy? First post and its in PPP? How did you find yourself here, PizzaJoe, if that is your real name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 First post and its in PPP? How did you find yourself here, PizzaJoe, if that is your real name? He beat up an old lady and this is his punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizza Joe Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 First post and its in PPP? How did you find yourself here, PizzaJoe, if that is your real name? My brother told me that he regularly kicks ass here, and thought I might enjoy it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 My brother told me that he regularly kicks ass here, and thought I might enjoy it too. I would have guessed Pasta Joe is your brother but he has never kicked ass here or elsewhere. My next guess would have been that you're one of the Darryls but he too, has never kicked ass. Do you mean brother in the biological sense or in the urban colloquial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) My brother told me that he regularly kicks ass here, and thought I might enjoy it too. Would your bro be Pasta Joe... But he's a lib! ;-) Edited June 10, 2013 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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