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If he ran in front of the safety then it was a TD. Because he didn't the safety stepped in front and it was an INT. TJ's response after the game was "that's probably why I don't play very much." He doesn't sound that smart to me. He should stick to track and field

or he was saving Fitz like i said by throwing himself under the bus. Chan didn't say he run it wrong, said it was up to him to read it.

 

the ball was barely caught by a leaping DB. anyone in front of him, it would be uncatchable and over their head by 6 fet. it was also about 10 feet behind TJ, even after running the deeper route, so it would have been even further behind him if he broke in sooner. it's science.

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at the very least, knowing hes illiterate before you bring him into camp might help you with the transition and teaching process.

Todd McShay said this morning on Mike&Mike that Patterson has fallen down the draft board because he has a tough time recognizing where to go in certain defensive alignments or in blitzing situations...not that McShay is a super reliable source, but this is what he heard from other GM's. I guess the Wonderlic is supposed to gauge a players ability to analyze and respond quickly. In Patterson's case, it may reflect the truth. He's not a quick learner.

 

Learning a route tree or understanding blitz adjustments is simply not that complicated for a WR. Now on the other hand a QB or MLB, it might be an indicator I'd consider. WR not so much IMO.

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These are meaningless, Morris Claiborne got a 4 last year and now he's one of the best young corners in the league. Also we had the guy who had the highest score ever for a QB (Fitz) and look how he turned out.

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Learning a route tree or understanding blitz adjustments is simply not that complicated for a WR. Now on the other hand a QB or MLB, it might be an indicator I'd consider. WR not so much IMO.

I’ve got to disagree with you on this part. IMO, it’s very difficult and one of the reasons it takes many young WRs a few years to make an impact and why so many of them flame out. The WR has to read the defense the exact same way the QB does or the timing and/or the route could be way off. Rarely does the WR just line up and run a set pattern like many of them did in college, there are so many adjustments built into just about every play. The best example I can think of to give you is the Steelers vs. Cowgirls SB in the mid 90’s. The WR and QB weren’t on the same page at least twice. The QB read the defense one way, the WR another. It lead to 2 big INTs and most of us knowing who Larry Brown is.

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I’ve got to disagree with you on this part. IMO, it’s very difficult and one of the reasons it takes many young WRs a few years to make an impact and why so many of them flame out. The WR has to read the defense the exact same way the QB does or the timing and/or the route could be way off. Rarely does the WR just line up and run a set pattern like many of them did in college, there are so many adjustments built into just about every play. The best example I can think of to give you is the Steelers vs. Cowgirls SB in the mid 90’s. The WR and QB weren’t on the same page at least twice. The QB read the defense one way, the WR another. They weren’t on the same page and it lead to 2 big INTs and most of us knowing who Larry Brown is.

 

It's more a matter of experience and repetition vs. intelligence IMO.

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These are meaningless, Morris Claiborne got a 4 last year and now he's one of the best young corners in the league. Also we had the guy who had the highest score ever for a QB (Fitz) and look how he turned out.

 

always exceptions to the rule, Dan Marino is another example of someone who scored low and turned out pretty good.

 

intelligence is not meaningless, its just another piece of the puzzle (for me, an important piece).

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always exceptions to the rule, Dan Marino is another example of someone who scored low and turned out pretty good.

 

intelligence is not meaningless, its just another piece of the puzzle (for me, an important piece).

 

I agree, I just don't believe that you can measure someone's intelligence with a number out of 50.

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I agree, I just don't believe that you can measure someone's intelligence with a number out of 50.

 

sounds like someone didnt do well on tests?

 

truly, a 50 question test will never be able to tell the whole story or anything close to it.... but when putting together a thorough composite on the guys make up - especially extremely high or low scores - tell you something. at the low end, you drill down on these guys and figure out if its an attitude issue, or a learning disability.

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It's more a matter of experience and repetition vs. intelligence IMO.

I don’t completely disagree with that but if the coaching staff and/or the QB doesn’t trust that the WR will be where they’re supposed to be consistently, they’ll never get that experience or repetition because they’ll be on the bench. They’ve got to show some progress in practice and in meetings to prove that they are mentally getting it.

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Do those scores surprise anyone? Have you listened to these guys talk? English is their first language, almost across the board, yet they cannot even speak clearly half the time. There is no way half the NFL players would've graduated from college had they not been pushed through - irregardless of their scores. I'm guessing many of them had people doing their homework for them, and had special testing areas, and the ability to retake tests with help. There's just no way, listening to many of these guys - with DEGREES - they went through and passed 4 yr college courses on their own.

 

All that being said - it probably doesn't make much of a difference unless you're an offense that expects the WR's to know all the positions and to make a lot of decisions on the fly. Most of these guys have been doing it for years, irregardless.

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I always hated the SAT, LSAT, MCAT etc....get rid of them all.

 

I remember taking mine at NTHS. It was TNT week and my friends all wanted me to skip the test and get high.

 

I rushed the test, got a good grade and still fulfilled my friends wishes.

 

 

Some guys did terrible. My favorite Robert Woods looks good. According to the score, Tavon Austin is illiterate. These scores probably don't mean as much for WRs as it does for QBs but its still fun to see how these guys do.

 

 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/OptimumScouting/status/324910201012645888

 

Rotoworld had this to say about Patterson,

 

"Scouts from 10 different teams have reportedly expressed reservations regarding Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson's mental acuity.

 

It's a fancy way of saying the scouts don't think Patterson is smart. He reportedly wasn't impressive during team interviews at the Combine and scored an 11 on the 50-question Wonderlic test. "Mentally, it's going to be a project," one personnel man told the Journal-Sentinel. "Running routes, he doesn't know how to do any of that stuff. You may have to keep it simple for him, but this is football. It's not building a super glider or anything."

 

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Apr 18 - 11:13 AM

 

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football/

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sounds like someone didnt do well on tests?

 

truly, a 50 question test will never be able to tell the whole story or anything close to it.... but when putting together a thorough composite on the guys make up - especially extremely high or low scores - tell you something. at the low end, you drill down on these guys and figure out if its an attitude issue, or a learning disability.

 

Haha actually I wasn't too bad at these kinds of tests, and I don't buy that excuse of "I'm smart but I'm not a good test taker". I just don't think that a player's wonderlic score has anything to do with how good of a football player he is. They should have a test that measures a player's knowledge relating to football like identifying coverages, memorizing playbooks and stuff.

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Some guys did terrible. My favorite Robert Woods looks good. According to the score, Tavon Austin is illiterate. These scores probably don't mean as much for WRs as it does for QBs but its still fun to see how these guys do.

 

 

 

https://mobile.twitt...910201012645888

 

Yep. That is where the scouting phrase "slow blinker" comes from.

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