BRAWNDO Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Because the strongest player might be your starting (and dominant) RT for the next 10 years. Pitt keeps drafting LBs. SF keeps drafting Oline and Giants keep drafting pass rushers. I'm OK with the Oline. Dline. LB or QB. Every year. Every pick The main difference between the Bills and the three teams you mentioned, is the fact those three teams are set at the QB position. Their rosters are loaded with talent from top to bottom which affords them the opportunity to continue to draft their areas of strength. The Bills still have too many needs at QB, LB, DBs, WR to draft more lineman at present. After the previously mentioned positions are taken care of, then the Bills can draft BPA. Granted PIT and the NYG missed the playoffs this year, but of PIT, NYG and the Bills which two teams realistically will have the best chance to be in the playoffs next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 #8 Geno Smith or the best defender available How do you teach him to play in bad weather ?? Don't know ---me either i'll pass !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 If we trade back, which I think we should (which we wont): Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wing Man Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Justin Hunter would be tempting at 8. Too bad he played for Tennessee where he might have really blossomed elsewhere. I'd sooner trade back and get AJ Murray from Georgia who seems really undervalued to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Let's spend a first rounder on a position we just spent unbelievable amounts of money on. Werner will be gone, as will Jones likely. If Jones is there, I don't want him anyways. He can't cover and he has spinal issues that will shorten his career. Moore can't cover the run. Mingo is the only one that will be there and doesn't have outstanding issues, but he's not worth the 8th pick over bigger needs. Unless one believes that Pettine's defense will make the existing talent much more effective in rushing the passer, the Bills have a need for another pass rusher. How much money they spent last year is immaterial. Pressuring the quarterback is one of the most important components of winning in the NFL. The Bills had 30 sacks last year. Actually Jim Kelly played in Miami and Houston, and I think Bart Starr played at Alabama. Joe Ferguson played at Arkansas, and Terry Bradshaw played in Louisiana. I'm not all that concerned that a guy comes from the south. Also Brett Favre. Bert Jones. Where a QB grew up/played collegiately is only an issue with people who use stereotypes to make sense of the world around them. Not agreeing or disagreeing with what you said, but one thing all of us should keep in mind when doing our own evaluations of quarterbacks is whether the video we are watching is a highlight video (like the 2nd one) or a pure "every snap in a game" video (like the first one). Highlight videos can make anyone look good when you cherry pick. Keep in mind many other things as well: the talent level of the opponent relative to the QBs own team. Which part of the season the game was played. Home or away game? One thing about Cordy Glenn last year is that you could see him improving every week until his dominant performances at year's end, stoning Mingo and Montgomery in the SEC Championship Game. It seems like most posters here watch video without taking into account the context of the game (ie- Nassib vs USC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) Unless one believes that Pettine's defense will make the existing talent much more effective in rushing the passer, the Bills have a need for another pass rusher. How much money they spent last year is immaterial. Pressuring the quarterback is one of the most important components of winning in the NFL. The Bills had 30 sacks last year. Your analysis is very short sighted. Bills were 31st against run last year. Thirty one freaking first out of thirty two teams. What opportunity do you have to rush the passer wgen opponents simply get to run all over you ? The other guys point as right: investments on the dline have put capable pass rushers in place. To use them we need to stop the run, and put teams in more obvious and longer passing situations. That's the real key now to elevating your one-dimensional sack total view of a defense Edited January 11, 2013 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBUffalo Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 How do you teach him to play in bad weather ?? Don't know ---me either i'll pass !! Before you make another comment about Geno Smith, please education yourself. He played in bad weather consistently in West Virginia. Just because you watched a bowl game doesn't mean you have wisdom on a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 i would trade back and get extra picks. The priorities are LB and QB. There isnt a high QB in this draft...you can find a QB in the second half of the 1st or early in the second. They keep Levitre and Byrd...they sign as UFAs a WR and CB. bringing in a CB and WR would have more impact then drafting one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Your analysis is very short sighted. Bills were 31st against run last year. Thirty one freaking first out of thirty two teams. What opportunity do you have to rush the passer wgen opponents simply get to run all over you ? The other guys point as right: investments on the dline have put capable pass rushers in place. To use them we need to stop the run, and put teams in more obvious and longer passing situations. That's the real key now to elevating your one-dimensional sack total view of a defense Disagree. No matter the down and distance, the Bills defense couldn't get off the field. I remember numerous 3rd and long conversions against the Bills defense this past season. They'd finally get a favorable 3rd down situation and still blow it. Short of getting some advanced stats (ie- adjusted third down rate), we'll have to disagree. And I don't want to hijack the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 The main difference between the Bills and the three teams you mentioned, is the fact those three teams are set at the QB position. Their rosters are loaded with talent from top to bottom which affords them the opportunity to continue to draft their areas of strength. The Bills still have too many needs at QB, LB, DBs, WR to draft more lineman at present. After the previously mentioned positions are taken care of, then the Bills can draft BPA. Granted PIT and the NYG missed the playoffs this year, but of PIT, NYG and the Bills which two teams realistically will have the best chance to be in the playoffs next year? I think we are in agreement. The only difference is: I'm open to the possibility that a franchise QB may not be in this draft. Then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 11, 2013 Author Share Posted January 11, 2013 Guys remember when Hairston got injured we were searching for his replacement. Why not grab a blue chipper at 8 and have Hairston as a backup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Disagree. No matter the down and distance, the Bills defense couldn't get off the field. I remember numerous 3rd and long conversions against the Bills defense this past season. They'd finally get a favorable 3rd down situation and still blow it. Short of getting some advanced stats (ie- adjusted third down rate), we'll have to disagree. And I don't want to hijack the thread. Nothing to do with thread hijack. You don't want to respond because you see the weakness in your argument. Yes there were a few letdowns late in games last year and we all know that. But you're going to let a few plays take precedent over the 300-something times we were run against, showing we were horrifically bad in that central area? And to my earlier point about how your focus is too narrow and you don't see the integral nature of run defense: some of the late game let downs on pass defense were most certainly from fatigue getting run over all game, and secondary personnel having to take on RBs with a full head of steam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Nothing to do with thread hijack. You don't want to respond because you see the weakness in your argument. Yes there were a few letdowns late in games last year and we all know that. But you're going to let a few plays take precedent over the 300-something times we were run against, showing we were horrifically bad in that central area? And to my earlier point about how your focus is too narrow and you don't see the integral nature of run defense: some of the late game let downs on pass defense were most certainly from fatigue getting run over all game, and secondary personnel having to take on RBs with a full head of steam. Disagree. We can argue opinions but without any objective measure, it's a waste of my time and yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Disagree. We can argue opinions but without any objective measure, it's a waste of my time and yours. 31st run defense 10th pass defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 31st run defense 10th pass defense Third down conversion rate would be the most important stat. Adjusted third down conversion rate would be even better because it would possibly support your argument that the opponents third down conversions were based on the Bills giving up too much yardage on first and second downs. These basic stats mean next to nothing. Teams win in the NFL by passing and stopping the pass. I'm done Joe. It's all yours to do with what you'd like. Have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) Third down conversion rate would be the most important stat. Adjusted third down conversion rate would be even better because it would possibly support your argument that the opponents third down conversions were based on the Bills giving up too much yardage on first and second downs. These basic stats mean next to nothing. Teams win in the NFL by passing and stopping the pass. I'm done Joe. It's all yours to do with what you'd like. Have fun. Raising stats you don't have simply another evasive maneuver. And you say conclusions can't be drawn without them yet you concluded pass rusher is priority based on a single sack figure. Totally ignoring the far more comprehensive and damning run defense figure. youre done all right. Edited January 11, 2013 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Raising stats you don't have simply another evasive maneuver. And you say decision can't be made without them yet you concluded pass rusher is priority based on a single sack figure. Totally ignoring the far more comprehensive and damning run defense figure. youre done all right. If you say so, Joe. Congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Bills Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 What about a corner with the 8th? Dee Milliner looks really good, Gilmore didn't play as well as most hoped . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 What about a corner with the 8th? Dee Milliner looks really good, Gilmore didn't play as well as most hoped . I like drafting corners but with other needs not this year. Only way I see them going corner @8 back to back is if pettine has massive influence on draft and brings jets 2-stud DB mentality with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'd like to trade back also, but I don't see anyone who would want the 8th spot. I want to draft Alec Ogletree in the first. I think he is a better LB then Te'o. Then take Nassib, Jones, Boyd (if he goes pro) in the 2nd. I want a WR also somewhere in the draft or bring in a FA. Agree about Ogletree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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