Keukasmallies Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 instead he appoints Joe Biden to head the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Joe Biden's on it. I feel safer already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Joe Biden's on it. I feel safer already. "Nobody messes with Joe" - Barack Obama 2008 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Joe Biden's on it. I feel safer already. Joe Biden is not the person to be involved in any law that prevents "plugging". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/dec/19/obama-taps-biden-lead-gun-violence-curb/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 When people say things like “don’t let this moment pass without acting on gun control,” what they’re really saying is our arguments are so unpersuasive that they can only succeed when people aren’t thinking clearly. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 When people say things like “don’t let this moment pass without acting on gun control,” what they’re really saying is our arguments are so unpersuasive that they can only succeed when people aren’t thinking clearly. . Like it or not, this event will prove to be a tipping point. Tens of millions of parents who were willing to live and let live on gun issues changed their minds forever last Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 When people say things like “don’t let this moment pass without acting on gun control,” what they’re really saying is our arguments are so unpersuasive that they can only succeed when people aren’t thinking clearly. . You are living in a bubble B-man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) You are living in a bubble B-man. That is not the case, sorry. I'm out here meeting the public everyday in my job. Certainly there will (and should be) lengthly discussions on how to prevent school shootings. But the emphasis will eventually be towards mental health, Not that there won't be some "gun control" legislation passed (the lifetime politicos have to prove they're doing something) But this "tipping point" that is all the rage in media talking points today is just an invention. . Edited December 19, 2012 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 You are living in a bubble B-man. You should clarify that, otherwise it isn't very convincing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 That is not the case, sorry. I'm out here meeting the public everyday in my job. Certainly there will (and should be) lengthly discussions on how to prevent school shootings. But the emphasis will eventually be towards mental health, Not that there won't be some "gun control" legislation passed (the lifetime politicos have to prove they're doing something) But this "tipping point" that is all the rage in media talking points today is just an invention. Yes, there will be an attempt to shift the focus to "mental health" by the NRA and other pro-gun entities...and there is certainly some validity to that...but, we already live in a country where conservatives tend to think any sort of mental health diagnosis are just excuses for bad behavior, or bad parenting...we don't seem to have the desire to equip our education system to deal with kids who have mental health issues...so what do you do with them? I am certainly not advocating taking everyones' guns away, but I think many, even those who have always had a very pro-gun stance issue are rightfully wondering if we haven't reached the point where a little more control is warrented. But any time it is mentioned, the extreme people on that side of the issue, frankly, flip out. They need and want their guns... You should clarify that, otherwise it isn't very convincing. I doubt I could ever convince you of anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 "I guarantee you, Barak Obama ain't takin' my shotgun." Joe-the-gun-Collector Biden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcyLeOm6yGc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Yes, there will be an attempt to shift the focus to "mental health" by the NRA and other pro-gun entities...and there is certainly some validity to that...but, we already live in a country where conservatives tend to think any sort of mental health diagnosis are just excuses for bad behavior, or bad parenting...we don't seem to have the desire to equip our education system to deal with kids who have mental health issues...so what do you do with them? I am certainly not advocating taking everyones' guns away, but I think many, even those who have always had a very pro-gun stance issue are rightfully wondering if we haven't reached the point where a little more control is warrented. But any time it is mentioned, the extreme people on that side of the issue, frankly, flip out. They need and want their guns... Do you really think that this incident should be linked to mental illness? Could it not just be that he was a bad person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Do you really think that this incident should be linked to mental illness? Could it not just be that he was a bad person? Not necessailly (though it sounds like there might be something there in this case), but that is how the NRA is going to try to shape this phase of the argument...its' not a "gun issue" its' a "mental health issue".... And your response (not picking a fight, just that it illustrates my point) is that many will always deny that there is a mental health issue, that the perp is just a bad person. I can go along with that... but if we can't recognize mental health issues (and who would have faith that diagnosis/treatment will be correct), we can't treat mental health issues, and we can't change any laws as they pertain to gun accesss..then we are just stuck in the same place..and everyone will be sad when it happens again...but it will just keep happening, unless there is some modification made. I won't pretend to believe that stricter gun laws will solve every problem, but it is a start... the whole silly argument always made that "cars kill thousands of people every year, so should we take everyones' cars away?" is just juvenile. And I suspect, people on the pro-gun side of the issue (for lack of better term) are hyper sensitive if anyone "politicizes" events like this, because they know, most every argument they make is going to sound silly. "I guarantee you, Barak Obama ain't takin' my shotgun." Joe-the-gun-Collector Biden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcyLeOm6yGc And Obama won't try to take Biden's berretta... the jump from tighter laws on gun access, and "taking my guns away" is pretty big. Edited December 19, 2012 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Not necessailly (though it sounds like there might be something there in this case), but that is how the NRA is going to try to shape this phase of the argument...its' not a "gun issue" its' a "mental health issue".... And your response (not picking a fight, just that it illustrates my point) is that many will always deny that there is a mental health issue, that the perp is just a bad person. I can go along with that... but if we can't recognize mental health issues (and who would have faith that diagnosis/treatment will be correct), we can't treat mental health issues, and we can't change any laws as they pertain to gun accesss..then we are just stuck in the same place..and everyone will be sad when it happens again...but it will just keep happening, unless there is some modification made. I won't pretend to believe that stricter gun laws will solve every problem, but it is a start... the whole silly argument always made that "cars kill thousands of people every year, so should we take everyones' cars away?" is just juvenile. From what I read yesterday, the NRA seems to be ready to accept gun legislation but we'll see what happens with that. All I'm saying is that every time I open a newspaper or turn on a TV, they try to talk about what causes these kinds of incidents whether it be violent video games, movies and guns. I call BS though I agree with you that using this approach risks the "nothing can be done". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Yes, there will be an attempt to shift the focus to "mental health" by the NRA and other pro-gun entities... and there is certainly some validity to that...but, we already live in a country where conservatives tend to think any sort of mental health diagnosis are just excuses for bad behavior, or bad parenting...we don't seem to have the desire to equip our education system to deal with kids who have mental health issues...so what do you do with them? I am certainly not advocating taking everyones' guns away, but I think many, even those who have always had a very pro-gun stance issue are rightfully wondering if we haven't reached the point where a little more control is warrented. But any time it is mentioned, the extreme people on that side of the issue, frankly, flip out. They need and want their guns... I doubt I could ever convince you of anything! Lol.........It was hard to take you seriously after that first sentence.............................."shift the blame to mental health" ? ? as if a nut shooting up a school isn't 99% about mental health. but its hard to get away from that NRA boogeyman for some. Like everyone else, I want some action taken to prevent future shootings, but the "unrealistic" mantra of "gun control" as the main action to take, as if that will successfully stop these horrible actions I will not join in on just to feel better, because it will not prevent Unlawful acts. Look to your own Bubble sir. . Edited December 19, 2012 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Lol.........It was hard to take you seriously after that first sentence.............................."shift the blame to mental health" ? ? as if a nut shooting up a school isn't 99% about mental health. but its hard to get away from that NRA boogeyman for some. Like everyone else, I want some action taken to prevent future shootings, but the "unrealistic" mantra of "gun control" as the main action to take, as if that will successfully stop these horrible actions I will not join in on just to feel better, because it will not prevent Unlawful acts. Look to your own Bubble sir. . And you were so focused on the first sentence, you didn't read the rest...I don't think anyone is suggesting that tighter gun laws is going to eliminate ulawful acts...so we shouldn't do anything to make them less likely? And, yeah, you are right, it is hard to get away from the NRA boogeyman, because they are front in center lobbying to prevent restrictions....so if you want some action, what do you suggest? You seem sure about what won't help...what would help? Edited December 19, 2012 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Yes, there will be an attempt to shift the focus to "mental health" by the NRA and other pro-gun entities...and there is certainly some validity to that...but, we already live in a country where conservatives tend to think any sort of mental health diagnosis are just excuses for bad behavior, or bad parenting...we don't seem to have the desire to equip our education system to deal with kids who have mental health issues...so what do you do with them? I am certainly not advocating taking everyones' guns away, but I think many, even those who have always had a very pro-gun stance issue are rightfully wondering if we haven't reached the point where a little more control is warrented. But any time it is mentioned, the extreme people on that side of the issue, frankly, flip out. They need and want their guns... I doubt I could ever convince you of anything! But you went ahead and clarified it anyway, per my suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 Just how many NRA members have been involved with the street gun violence in Chicago and NYC, or have slaughtered innocent babies in American schools? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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