C.Biscuit97 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 If we're playing the 20-20 hindsight game (don't mind playing that at all), I'll take either the 49'er's draft (Aldon Smith and Kapernick) or the Texans' draft (J.J. Watt and Brooks Reed) as well as the Bengals. Hated, hated, hated the Aaron Williams pick. Would have liked to have seen Akeem Ayers playing LB for us. Yeah, hindsight would be amazing. Dareus was the MVP of the national championship game. Smith had 6 sacks his last year and Watt had 11.5 for his whole career. I was 100% on board with drafting Kaepernick because I thought he was Cam Newton lte and Gailey would work well with him. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsox Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 QB- Andy dalton HB1- CJ spiller HB2-Fred Jackson Wr1- A.J. green Wr2- Stevie Johnson Slot- David nelson Offensive line that we now have. our defense minus Marcell and and Aaron. Right now not to big of a hit. I still think Marcell will be a great player but Aaron is a bust. We most likely would have stayed a 3-4 defense becasue we would not have had those 4 dominant D-linemen we still would have signed Mario Williams. The D-line would still have been good. and the whole defense would have had a year experience in the 3-4 and all of these mental errors might not have been happening. The LBs would have stayed where they were and not have to learn new technique, lets remember this is the pros you don't just change position and expect that you will be just as good in the other position. -Barnett would not have had to make the move to the outside we were counting on him being the same player we got in 2011. -Bryan Scott would have been more suited to play LB in the 3-4 as well. -the scheme has killed our defense this year.. We now know andy dalton was a good pick now. He was not a sure thing coming out but he was a winner and had a good head on his shoulders. I think chan could have made him better than he is in cincy. he would also have a more complete offense around him. AJ green was a sure thing I don't want to here hind sight is 2020 AJ green was a beast you can go back and watch his College tape and see he was going to be a star he was making those catches only special players make and is a great athlete. he has been doing it his whole life, even in highschool This Our offense would be top in the league. knowing the bills we would not have resigned stevie though. I can't see a way that chan messes that up. Everyone would have loved Buddy if he pulled the Trigger on Green and Dalton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Max Anderson Fan Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 If frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass on cobble rocks now would they? IF, IF, IF..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 If the Bills had drafted them...............Today we would continue to cry B*tch and moan about how we could have drafted 2 different players (Maybe even Dareus and Williams) and they would have been such a greater pick then what Buffalo did. It doesn't matter who the Bills pick, if they aren't Pro Bowlers right away, everyone here will just be talking about how we could have had 'Player X' at that spot and how the players a bust and another mistake by the front office and more proof Ralphs the anit-christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Max Anderson Fan Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 If the Bills had drafted them...............Today we would continue to cry B*tch and moan about how we could have drafted 2 different players (Maybe even Dareus and Williams) and they would have been such a greater pick then what Buffalo did. It doesn't matter who the Bills pick, if they aren't Pro Bowlers right away, everyone here will just be talking about how we could have had 'Player X' at that spot and how the players a bust and another mistake by the front office and more proof Ralphs the anit-christ :thumbsup: Couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smears Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 If we had drafted them, the Bills would find a way to screw it up. Or Chan would ruin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todzilla Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) I liked Green pre draft but was totally on board with Dareus. The Bills had ignored the interior of the line for far too long and another skill player would have made many on this board lose their mind. There are plenty of WR's that have looked like can't miss prospects that have missed badly (ask the Lions). I still think Dareus will justify his draft position in the long run. He's been much better the past two games. It appears he may be putting the tragedy of his brothers death behind him and getting back to form. Taking Williams in the 2nd round however is a totally different story. Having Dalton or Kap right now would put the franchise in a much better place. My only hope for Williams at this point is that they convert him to safety during the offseason and he is more successful there. Edited November 28, 2012 by todzilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Dalton would still be "inactive" learning the playbook and A J Green would be the 3rd wideout.... Worse.............AJ Green would be stuck behind Easley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 If we're playing the 20-20 hindsight game (don't mind playing that at all), I'll take either the 49'er's draft (Aldon Smith and Kapernick) or the Texans' draft (J.J. Watt and Brooks Reed) as well as the Bengals. Hated, hated, hated the Aaron Williams pick. Would have liked to have seen Akeem Ayers playing LB for us. It's looking more and more possible that the Williams Pick will be the one that stings most in the long run...Which is surprising seeing as though that was the 2nd Rounder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 It's looking more and more possible that the Williams Pick will be the one that stings most in the long run...Which is surprising seeing as though that was the 2nd Rounder... Troupe too the year before. Taken a spot ahead of gronk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Troupe too the year before. Taken a spot ahead of gronk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBill Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 If the Bills had drafted them...............Today we would continue to cry B*tch and moan about how we could have drafted 2 different players (Maybe even Dareus and Williams) and they would have been such a greater pick then what Buffalo did. It doesn't matter who the Bills pick, if they aren't Pro Bowlers right away, everyone here will just be talking about how we could have had 'Player X' at that spot and how the players a bust and another mistake by the front office and more proof Ralphs the anit-christ The way it has turned out so far, I don't think anyone out of a coma would be bithing if we didn't draft Aaron Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) The problem with picking Dareus over Green is the fact that "franchise" WRs like Green don't come along very often, create matchup disasters for the other team, and are the most valuable players in the NFL besides franchise QBs. Much as Franchise QBs make a team immeasurably better, a true stud WR makes an entire offense better in multiple ways, even if he doesn't have a great QB delivering him the ball. GMs who understand the modern NFL get this and draft accordingly. (See Atlanta, trading up for Julio Jones). GMs who don't, end up picking "the highest ranked player on our board", and pay the price. (see Cleveland selecting Trent Richardson). Bottom line: even a great D-lineman, which Dareus definitely is not at this point in his career, is less valuable to a team than a truly great WR, which Green has already proven himself to be. Edited November 29, 2012 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 If the Bills had drafted them...............Today we would continue to cry B*tch and moan about how we could have drafted 2 different players (Maybe even Dareus and Williams) and they would have been such a greater pick then what Buffalo did. It doesn't matter who the Bills pick, if they aren't Pro Bowlers right away, everyone here will just be talking about how we could have had 'Player X' at that spot and how the players a bust and another mistake by the front office and more proof Ralphs the anit-christ Seriously? Do you live in some sort of alternate universe where over-generalization, over-exaggeration, and the lack of ability to discern between fanaticism and good discussion are acceptable norms? If so, I'm beginning to understand your recent Posts a lot more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Seriously? Do you live in some sort of alternate universe where over-generalization, over-exaggeration, and the lack of ability to discern between fanaticism and good discussion are acceptable norms? If so, I'm beginning to understand your recent Posts a lot more... Well, just look at him in his avatar, there's a good reason why he's driving that bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Well, just look at him in his avatar, there's a good reason why he's driving that bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todzilla Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 The problem with picking Dareus over Green is the fact that "franchise" WRs like Green don't come along very often, create matchup disasters for the other team, and are the most valuable players in the NFL besides franchise QBs. Much as Franchise QBs make a team immeasurably better, a true stud WR makes an entire offense better in multiple ways, even if he doesn't have a great QB delivering him the ball. GMs who understand the modern NFL get this and draft accordingly. (See Atlanta, trading up for Julio Jones). GMs who don't, end up picking "the highest ranked player on our board", and pay the price. (see Cleveland selecting Trent Richardson). Bottom line: even a great D-lineman, which Dareus definitely is not at this point in his career, is less valuable to a team than a truly great WR, which Green has already proven himself to be. Trent Richardson has performed quite well on a crappy team, should finish with close to 1500 yards from scrimmage and 10 tds. The problem with calling Green a franchise WR, which he obviously is, but for every Green, Megatron, Andre Johnson, there is a Braylon Edwards, Charles Rogers, and Roy Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Yes, I would have been quite unhappy if we passed on Marcel to pick Green at the time, and I don't think it would have been the best decision. Obviously right now Green is looking like the better player, but I don't think he clearly was at that time, or the better fit. Dalton or Kaepernick over Williams I was hoping for on draft day, and I think would have been a really good idea. Here is a list of QBs taken within 15 picks of our pick in recent years, so guys we could have had if we wanted, since the draft where we last picked a top 3 round QB (Trent Edwards) 2012 Gilmore #10 - Weeden #22 2012 Glenn #41 - Osweiler #57 2012 Graham #69 - Russel Wilson #75 2011 Dareus #3 - Locker, Gabbert, Ponder 2011 Williams #34 - Dalton #35, Kaepernick #36 2011 Shepperd #68, Mallet #74 2010 Troup #41, Claussen #48 2009 Maybin #11, Freeman #17 2009 Byrd #42, Pat White #44 2008 McKelvin #11, Flacco #18 2008 Hardy #41, Brohm #56, Henne #57 2007 Lynch #12, Quinn #22 2007 Poz #34, Kolb #36 (Beck/Stanton) Russel Wilson over Graham, Dalton/Kaepernick over Williams, Freeman over Maybin, Flacco over McKelvin, Kolb over Poz are all moves that today would make sense. Of those I think that Wilson and Kolb would be using hindsight unfairly (see Brady, Tom), and similarly Freeman over Orakpo (leave Maybin out of it) would have been a head scratcher. I also think that Flacco was scouted too much as a second round project without mobility (read Mallet) to be realistically picked at #11 out of Delaware. So that leaves in the last six years, only one head scratching pick, and that is Aaron Williams, ahead of two QBs who I think all of us liked more than Williams on draft day, and each of whom is currently the starter for a playoff contender. I put this pick currently with Ngata and Orakpo as ones that seemed dumb on the day of the draft and have only grown stinkier, but I don't put AJ Green/Dareus in the same category. Marcel was graded as the best player in that draft by many many people, and he should be such a dominate force if given the right coaching. Not to mention losing his brother had an impact no matter how little time he missed. If you think Gailey is inept and in over his head...what about Dave Wannstedt? Now think about how much ole Dave has screwed one of the NFL's best D lines into the ground this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 The one arguement you can make for not drafting Green is Detroit. They picked the number one wide receiver 2 or three times and it never paid off. I am not saying Green is not a franchise game changing WR, i am a UGA fan. What i am saying is until you fix you rlines of scrimage and QB, wr's are a luxury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Well, just look at him in his avatar, there's a good reason why he's driving that bus. Just trying to fit in with everyone else around here, the short bus is overflowing here, we might have to upgrade to one of those bigger busses Seriously? Do you live in some sort of alternate universe where over-generalization, over-exaggeration, and the lack of ability to discern between fanaticism and good discussion are acceptable norms? If so, I'm beginning to understand your recent Posts a lot more... Hindsight makes every decision made much easier to makeUp until that draft, the majority of people here were talking about how taking Dareus is the only choice because you have to draft linemen and build from the lines out, WRs and QBs are just luxury picks that this team can't afford to make now. Can you honestly say that at the time of the draft you had expected Dalton would have been a game 1 starter and lead his team to the playoffs? If so, theres 31 jobs available in the NFL you'd qualify for because 31 other GMs in the NFL passed on him, and if it wasn't for Carson palmer sitting out, theres a pretty good chance we may not have seen Dalton play much yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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