C.Biscuit97 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 RG3 has also been far more efficient than Newton. The comparisons are foolish and, frankly, borderline racist. Agreed. I compared RG3 to Steve Young because of his size, accuracy, & his ability to run if no one is open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 This^^ With the way the Bills have drafted, those picks are not quite as important as people think. I was all for trading up for RGIII although the skins were in much better position to do so. Losing draft picks for 2-3 years is not the big a deal when you lock up your Franchise QB for 10-12 years. Would you give up Roscoe Parrish, Donte Whitner, Marshawn Lynch and Lee Evans for Big Ben? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Agreed. I compared RG3 to Steve Young because of his size, accuracy, & his ability to run if no one is open. I was thinking Rich Gannon, but both are good comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 RG3 has also been far more efficient than Newton. The comparisons are foolish and, frankly, borderline racist. It might not be quite that dramatic. Cam Newton was a 1 year wonder, and RG3 was not well-known across the country until his senior (or technically junior after the redshirt) season. So there is a little similarity that they both "came out of nowhere" in the general hype factory sense. Their games, builds, etc. are not very comparable however. No disagreement on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I was thinking Rich Gannon, but both are good comparisons. But they are different races!!! Gannon was kinda of a dink & dunker. RG3 throws bombs. It's crazy how accurate he is for the amount of long throws he attempts. He's amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Agreed. I compared RG3 to Steve Young because of his size, accuracy, & his ability to run if no one is open. right, but have you looked at steve young lately? hes not.... well, this is awkward.... i guess you could say that steve young was a high motor player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 But they are different races!!! Gannon was kinda of a dink & dunker. RG3 throws bombs. It's crazy how accurate he is for the amount of long throws he attempts. He's amazing. RG3 throws bombs or short passes, from what I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I think the moral of the story is that trading 3 first round picks is a cheap price to pay for a franchise QB. I realize that no QB prospect is a lock to succeed, but Luck and RG III were as safe as it gets. If the bills are ever in position where they can trade 3 firsts for an elite QB prospect, I hope they do it. Just a clarification on your post. The Skins traded two first round picks, not three. In last year's draft they exchanged draft positions with the Rams so in essence they didn't lose a first round pick. They used their exchanged pick to take RGIII. Whether the Skins traded two or three first round picks doesn't really matter. The deal has worked out magnificantly for the Skins. Elite prospects such as Luck, RGIII, Eli and Peyton Manning, Elway, Rothlisberger, Jim Kelly etc are worth a boatload of picks. These are franchise changing players who have an incredible elevating effect on a franchise for a decade or more. The bottom line is that the brain trust for the perennial losing Bills felt that Fitz was more than an adequate qb to move this franchise forward. Comedy Central should set up their studio at OBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Just a clarification on your post. The Skins traded two first round picks, not three. In last year's draft they exchanged draft positions with the Rams so in essence they didn't lose a first round pick. They used their exchanged pick to take RGIII. Whether the Skins traded two or three first round picks doesn't really matter. The deal has worked out magnificantly for the Skins. Elite prospects such as Luck, RGIII, Eli and Peyton Manning, Elway, Rothlisberger, Jim Kelly etc are worth a boatload of picks. These are franchise changing players who have an incredible elevating effect on a franchise for a decade or more. The bottom line is that the brain trust for the perennial losing Bills felt that Fitz was more than an adequate qb to move this franchise forward. Comedy Central should set up their studio at OBD. If you trade three picks and get one back, you've traded three first round picks. That being said, yes, it was an excellent deal for Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 If you trade three picks and get one back, you've traded three first round picks. That being said, yes, it was an excellent deal for Washington. you can state that absolutely after 11 games? That include 6 losses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) you can state that absolutely after 11 games? That include 6 losses? As I have noted on other postings I live in the MD/DC area so I have an opportunity to see him more than most posters. The team's record has little to do with his play, mostly it is a reflection of a poor defense ravaged by injuries. He is a type of qb prospect that comes along once every decade or so. He has it all. Both he and Luck are going to be the Peyton Manning and Tom Brady qb combo for the next decade or more, assuming they stay healthy. So far he has good stats. However, when you watch him play they understate how good he really is. Trust me on this issue. It is a very easy judgment for me to make. Edited November 23, 2012 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 As I have noted on other postings I live in the MD/DC area so I have an opportunity to see him more than most posters. The team's record has little to do with his play, mostly it is a reflection of a poor defense ravaged by injuries. He is a type of qb prospect that comes along once every decade or so. He has it all. Both he and Luck are going to be the Peyton Manning and Tom Brady qb combo for the next decade or more, assuming they stay healthy. So far he has good stats. However, when you watch him play they understate how good he really is. Trust me on this issue. It is a very easy judgment for me to make. I have read on here many times it takes 2-3 years to grade a draft and I agree. What I find amusing is many RG fans here are the same ones who put Cam on a pedestal last year and now are saying no no this is no flash in the pan like Newton! he's the real deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Sure wins a big division game, on the road. I love the guy but that division is horrible they should be better than the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I have read on here many times it takes 2-3 years to grade a draft and I agree. What I find amusing is many RG fans here are the same ones who put Cam on a pedestal last year and now are saying no no this is no flash in the pan like Newton! he's the real deal! Cam Newton is a physical specimen with off the chart tools who is playing on a rebuilding team. The difference between RGIII and Newton is that RG is a much more mature person, player and student of the game. Although the Panthers don't have a good record that doesn't mean that Newton isn't going to be a very good qb. He is going to have to go through the developmental process as most young players do. What sets RGIII and Luck apart from other prospects is that they come to the pro ranks with an understanding of the game that most, especially qbs, prospects don't already have. Don't write off Newton. Give him time and he will be a very good player. With respect to RGIII and Luck they are both (my opinion) going to be special players in this league for a very long time, assuming good health. If it appears that I am being too cocksure about both Luck and RGIII being special players I ask for your indulgence. On this topic I am trusting my eyes. I'm confident in my position. The below attached recording is an interview on WGR with Buddy Nix. It is an 18 minute segment. You only have to listen to the fist half where he is talking about Luck and RGIII. http://audio.wgr550.com/a/66900667/11-23-buddy-nix-says-the-defense-is-coming-together.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I have read on here many times it takes 2-3 years to grade a draft and I agree. What I find amusing is many RG fans here are the same ones who put Cam on a pedestal last year and now are saying no no this is no flash in the pan like Newton! he's the real deal! I don't think I had a single post about Cam. Also, RG3 has been far more efficient than Newton. Newton put up yards, but also a ton of picks and incompletions; RG3 doesn't make many mistakes. Yes, the RGIII trade was a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Cam Newton is a physical specimen with off the chart tools who is playing on a rebuilding team. The difference between RGIII and Newton is that RG is a much more mature person, player and student of the game. Although the Panthers don't have a good record that doesn't mean that Newton isn't going to be a very good qb. He is going to have to go through the developmental process as most young players do. What sets RGIII and Luck apart from other prospects is that they come to the pro ranks with an understanding of the game that most, especially qbs, prospects don't already have. Don't write off Newton. Give him time and he will be a very good player. With respect to RGIII and Luck they are both (my opinion) going to be special players in this league for a very long time, assuming good health. If it appears that I am being too cocksure about both Luck and RGIII being special players I ask for your indulgence. On this topic I am trusting my eyes. I'm confident in my position. The below attached recording is an interview on WGR with Buddy Nix. It is an 18 minute segment. You only have to listen to the fist half where he is talking about Luck and RGIII. http://audio.wgr550....ng-together.htm Thanks but I will hold to a 2-3 year evaluation before I call anyone great. or a bust. I don't think I had a single post about Cam. Also, RG3 has been far more efficient than Newton. Newton put up yards, but also a ton of picks and incompletions; RG3 doesn't make many mistakes. Yes, the RGIII trade was a great deal. I never said you personally. I am saying 1 year ago this place was calling Cam the second coming of Christ. Now look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I have read on here many times it takes 2-3 years to grade a draft and I agree. What I find amusing is many RG fans here are the same ones who put Cam on a pedestal last year and now are saying no no this is no flash in the pan like Newton! he's the real deal! Cam is a flash in the pan? So his stats aren't great, but the talent is obviously there, I'm not about to write him off yet. I'd take him over Fitz, we might still miss the playoffs, but at least he could improve, whereas Fitz has peaked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Cam is a flash in the pan? So his stats aren't great, but the talent is obviously there, I'm not about to write him off yet. I'd take him over Fitz, we might still miss the playoffs, but at least he could improve, whereas Fitz has peaked. Is this "talent" appropriate for a QB or a wrestler? Everyone looks at a big arm fast QB and says he has the tools he just needs time. I have heard this over and over. The names are now on the dustbin of NFL history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 While our LB core is in need of upgrade.....I am still to the point where I want them to be VERY agressive in getting that QB the question is.....is there anyone in this next draft WORTH that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Is this "talent" appropriate for a QB or a wrestler? Everyone looks at a big arm fast QB and says he has the tools he just needs time. I have heard this over and over. The names are now on the dustbin of NFL history. The difference between Cam and a guy like Russell or Losman is that Cam hasn't been bad; he's been average. He will always be an NFL starter, but, yes, it is somewhat up in the air as to whether he can become elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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