PromoTheRobot Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 When was drafting a "franchise" QB a guarantee? You mean the Bills have the chance to pick a QB high. Whether he becomes "franchise" is anyone's guess. Although these days franchise just means someone who was a big hype in college. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo 66 Posted October 28, 2012 Author Share Posted October 28, 2012 When was drafting a "franchise" QB a guarantee? You mean the Bills have the chance to pick a QB high. Whether he becomes "franchise" is anyone's guess. Although these days franchise just means someone who was a big hype in college. PTR True to some degree! Do you go all out like Indy and draft Andrew Luck or are you the Patriots and wait for Tom Brady to fall into the sixth round? The clock is ticking for the Bills, If they keep waiting they may not need to worry cause they may not have a team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I just figured after watching Lattimore get injured yesteday that would be our no. 1 pick ala McGahee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) No need for QB in draft. We have Ryan. So that's 3 QBs that suck. We can start a justice league of backup quarterbacks Edited October 29, 2012 by benderbender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyHorseAteTheKid Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 They could use a CB or two! Ha Ha!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 True to some degree! Do you go all out like Indy and draft Andrew Luck or are you the Patriots and wait for Tom Brady to fall into the sixth round? The clock is ticking for the Bills, If they keep waiting they may not need to worry cause they may not have a team! Does it matter? You don't "go out and get one" like going to the store for milk. You draft and you hope. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 No need for QB in draft. We have Ryan. Are you gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo 66 Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 Does it matter? You don't "go out and get one" like going to the store for milk. You draft and you hope. PTR Really? Come on man you have more credibility than most on this board but this is bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Really? Come on man you have more credibility than most on this board but this is bad! So what are you saying? Drafting a QB in the 1st round is a gimme? Look at the 1st round QBs who flame out. Then look how many actually play at a Pro Bowl Level. Less than 30%. That's reality. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo 66 Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 So what are you saying? Drafting a QB in the 1st round is a gimme? Look at the 1st round QBs who flame out. Then look how many actually play at a Pro Bowl Level. Less than 30%. That's reality. PTR I am talking sure fire! Peyton Manning, Eli manning, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, RGIII we KNEW these guys would be GOOD! Better than wasting first round picks on JP Losman, Paul Pozlusky, Donte Whitner,Marshawn Lynch, Lee Evans. AAron Maybin, Leodis Mckelvin! Sorry I can't spell pauls name! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 So what are you saying? Drafting a QB in the 1st round is a gimme? Look at the 1st round QBs who flame out. Then look how many actually play at a Pro Bowl Level. Less than 30%. That's reality. PTR What else is reality is that the vast majority of pro bowl QBs were also high draft picks. Yes they have a chance to be a bust, but also the best chance we have to get a franchise QB. It's a risk but we have to try. Clearly what we have been doing has not been working. Buddy and Doug or whoever the GM and braintrust may be come April needs to identify the best QB who has the greatest chance of success and do whatever it takes to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badasss Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 KC needs a QB badly!! Hopefully, they'll have the 1st pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I am talking sure fire! Peyton Manning, Eli manning, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, RGIII we KNEW these guys would be GOOD! Better than wasting first round picks on JP Losman, Paul Pozlusky, Donte Whitner,Marshawn Lynch, Lee Evans. AAron Maybin, Leodis Mckelvin! Sorry I can't spell pauls name! Jury's still out on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) the Bills are convinced that they HAVE a franchise QB in Ryan Fitzpatrick If anything, the awful defense this year will save Fitz's job for another year, as long as he has enough TDs at the end of the season for them to crow about his beloved "stats" Nothing changes in that regard until a new owner fires everyone and new guys come in Edited October 29, 2012 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 problem folks ... chan and buddy LOVE Fitz .... we're not drafting a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I am talking sure fire! Peyton Manning, Eli manning, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, RGIII we KNEW these guys would be GOOD! Better than wasting first round picks on JP Losman, Paul Pozlusky, Donte Whitner,Marshawn Lynch, Lee Evans. AAron Maybin, Leodis Mckelvin! Sorry I can't spell pauls name! This is one of the most selectively revisionist piles of horse plop I've ever read here, and that's really saying something. I'll compile a list of every QB drafted in the first five picks of the draft, and in years where no QB was selected in the top five I'll simply list the first QB selected, for the last 20 years for you. 1992: David Klingler (6) 1993: Drew Bledsoe (1), Rick Mirer (2) 1994: Heath Shuler (3) 1995: Steve McNair (3), Kerry Collins (5) 1996: Tony Banks (42) 1997: Jim Druckenmiller (26) 1998: Peyton Manning (1), Ryan Leaf (2) 1999: Tim Couch (1), Donovan McNabb (2), Akili Smith (3) 2000: Chad Pennington (18) 2001: Mike Vick (1) 2002: David Carr (1), Joey Harrington (3) 2003: Carson Palmer (1) 2004: Eli Manning (1), Phillip Rivers (4) 2005: Alex Smith (1) 2006: Vince Young (3) 2007: JaMarcus Russell (1) 2008: Matt Ryan (3) 2009: Matthew Stafford (1), Mark Sanchez (5) 2010: Sam Bradford (1) 2011: Cam Newton (1) 2012: Andrew Luck (1), Robert Griffin III (2) The above list names a total of 30 current or former players. Of those, only 13 are current NFL starters, with 5 others having been considered legitimate starters during their careers. Of the entire list, only 13 ever made a Pro-Bowl, and only 1 has been an All-Pro selection. Only 3 have ever made it to the Super Bowl, and of those only 2 have won the Big Game. To conclude, there are no sure fire "franchise" players at any position, much less at quarterback where the development curve is long and unpredictable. If you don't believe me, just ask any of the 32 general managers in the NFL. Or, if you've managed to convince yourself that you've got the magic bullet, apply for one of their jobs. If it really is as simple for you to see as you're claiming, any one of the NFL's franchises would be happy to have you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Nix should understand that sticking with Fitz & not drafting QB will create a lot of empty seats at the Ralph next year. No one is interested in watching that mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 as I stated previously, research shows that, while 50% is not a great number its the best you will get, rd 1 QBs are a 50/50 success rate, it only goes down from there. Who knows, maybe this is another 2004 type class where there are 3 legit franchise QBs, and we will have a shot at one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 as I stated previously, research shows that, while 50% is not a great number its the best you will get, rd 1 QBs are a 50/50 success rate, it only goes down from there. Who knows, maybe this is another 2004 type class where there are 3 legit franchise QBs, and we will have a shot at one of them. Define "success". I think the numbers are alot worse than 50%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Really? Come on man you have more credibility than most on this board but this is bad! I don't think it's bad. In fact, I completely agree with it. You avoid the guys with red flags, pick a guy who looks like he has all the tools...and then you hope. In the end it's still a coin flip (at the top of the 1st round). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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