BuckeyeBill Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 You may laugh... but if CJ doesn't fumble that ball; the Bills win that game! At half time, the score would have been 21-7. Then coming out in the 3rd quarter and the Bills score first going up 28-7, the Patriots would have been forced to pass the ball more and give up on the run. The Bills would have not fallen behind and Fitz would have not been a reckless with the ball up by three touchdowns. The Bills would have marched out with a victory! Anyone looking at that score would think it was another Patriot blowout of Buffalo. But for a majority of the game, the Bills were dominant. The game was much closer than a horrible 4th quarter shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 You may laugh... but if CJ doesn't fumble that ball; the Bills win that game! At half time, the score would have been 21-7. Then coming out in the 3rd quarter and the Bills score first going up 28-7, the Patriots would have been forced to pass the ball more and give up on the run. The Bills would have not fallen behind and Fitz would have not been a reckless with the ball up by three touchdowns. The Bills would have marched out with a victory! Anyone looking at that score would think it was another Patriot blowout of Buffalo. But for a majority of the game, the Bills were dominant. The game was much closer than a horrible 4th quarter shows. I don't think we could have predicted what would have happened, but 28-7 certainly changes a lot in the game and many of your points are likely. It was just a strategically poor decision. Gailey had many chess pieces in that situation (Jackson, Choice,...) and he played the wrong one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 You give up 6 TDs in 6 possessions and people whine about who carried the ball on one play. Way to understand what you just witnessed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 You give up 6 TDs in 6 possessions and people whine about who carried the ball on one play. Way to understand what you just witnessed. Way to over simplicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 The hit that caused the fumble wasn't Wilfork, it was Spikes. He did the exact same helmet to helmet hit on Freddy in the second half and caused his fumble as well. I agree that sending your smallest back who isn't 100% healthy (and not known for his short yardage work) in that situation didn't seem like the best move. I thought our short yardage backs are Freddy and Brad Smith on the direct snap. Or like some people have suggested, bring in fresh legged Choice who runs hard and low between the tackles. Either way though, the Patriots once again made the halftime adjustments necessary to come out and kill us in the second half. The same as they did the last time we played them. The Spiller fumble is meaningless in this game. We lost because we gave up 6 consecutive TD's and well over 500 yards. Sometimes when your head coach is so offensive minded they need to count on the defensive coordinator more than they should. If your DC isn't solid then you get outmatched, out-adjusted in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 That fumble was a huge back breaker and momentum turner, it turned the game IMO. I got to agree that play was a very questionable call, as were several calls that had Spiller left in the backfield to BLOCK. Hello? I got to disagree it was a huge back breaker or momentum turner. We got a nice stop in the 2nd half followed by a solid TD drive to put us up 21-7. The momentum hadn't shifted then. The shift came on the next 5 series, which were drives the length of the field for the Pats* followed by 3-and-outs for the Bills. This is where we needed to see some coaching. If guys are getting gassed, substitute. If running Fjax and Spiller isn't working, do what Green Bay did against the SeaSnakes after an inept 1st half: try some power running as we did against KC. Try to move the chains a few times and get the D some rest. Just don't keep doing the same 'ol same 'ol and expecting it to work differently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted October 1, 2012 Author Share Posted October 1, 2012 The hit that caused the fumble wasn't Wilfork, it was Spikes. He did the exact same helmet to helmet hit on Freddy in the second half and caused his fumble as well. I agree that sending your smallest back who isn't 100% healthy (and not known for his short yardage work) in that situation didn't seem like the best move. I thought our short yardage backs are Freddy and Brad Smith on the direct snap. Or like some people have suggested, bring in fresh legged Choice who runs hard and low between the tackles. Either way though, the Patriots once again made the halftime adjustments necessary to come out and kill us in the second half. The same as they did the last time we played them. The Spiller fumble is meaningless in this game. We lost because we gave up 6 consecutive TD's and well over 500 yards. Sometimes when your head coach is so offensive minded they need to count on the defensive coordinator more than they should. If your DC isn't solid then you get outmatched, out-adjusted in the second half. I agree with your point and acknowledged at the start of this thread that the fumble didn't factor into the margin of difference in the game. That play was one of way too many problems. I guess my simple point is the concern over Gailey making such a blatant strategic blunder at a point in the game like that. Very Jauron-like or should I say Mularkey-like,... no I think I mean Williams-like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 The Bills stopped the Pats* on the first drive of the 2nd half, and then scored a TD to go up, 21-7. The fumble obviously cost the team points, but it didn't shift the momentum. Exactly. The main concern out of this game should be defense and only defense!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 (edited) You don't give a guy with an INJURED shoulder the ball on a goal line play!!! Where's the BEEF? Why not Corey McIntyre?? A 2 back set is not working, I don't think it ever has. Fred or CJ as the main back is what works. Not this hot and cold crap Edited October 1, 2012 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I thought there were two coaching blunders in the 1st half. 1. Punting on 4th&5 from NE's 40 on the 1st possession. You typically gain 20 yards of field position with a punt here. I'd rather sacrafice the 20 yards half the time and pick up the 1st down and a likely 3+ points the other half. 2. Throwing on 1st & 2nd down with 2:10 left in the 1st half when NE had 1 time out. This worked out only because Donald Jones made a nice catch in traffic on 3rd&10. But it's still terrible clock management either way. For Jeremy White and anyone who says that's nitpicking because they got the 1st down, fine, but I never want to hear you whine about blaming a coaching decision on the basis of it not working. As for Spiller being in the game, whatever. Don't fumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBill Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 That fumble was a huge back breaker and momentum turner, it turned the game IMO. I agree, it was obvious the game was totally different after that play. I screamed this over and over last season, and it happened again yesterday. Why in the F**K would Gailey put Spiller in to run up the gut anyway? He is too small, dances too much, and just plain isn't a power runner, and no negativity towards Spiller, he just isn't. You have Jackson, Choice, McIntyre,etc. all of which would be a better choice to pound it up the gut, but he insists on sending Spiller in to do it? I just don't get some of his decisions, and there are too many like that, which have kept me from believing he is the coach that is going to turn this mess around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I kept asking why Choice wasn't run blocking...I gave up and cleaned out my closet in the 4th quarter so I don't know if they ever put him in the game or not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I was at the game and knew that was a killer. You can't throw away points against the Pats. I give props for Spiller for manning up and playing but he shouldn't have been carrying the ball in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Spiller was running high...into six human Mac trucks. Remember learning in pee wee football, you run low in those conditions. Tired of whining and moaning. I'll sum up my last complaint: This whole team, Chandler excluded, sucked, with Wanny sucking the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Even if he didn't fumble there was NO WAY he scored on that play unless he climbef on top of everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBill Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Exactly. The main concern out of this game should be defense and only defense!! HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!So you left the room when Fitz had the ball in his tiny little hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS 56 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 While that event didn't factor into the margin of victory, I felt that Gailey made an enormous strategic blunder on that drive. They were down inside the 5 and looking to run it down the Pats throat to finish the half up 21-7. Running Spiller up the gut had catastrophe written all over it. It was a spot where they should have brought Tashard Choice and not put it in the hands of the guy with the questionable shoulder. They put in Spiller in a bad situation and paid the price. Who knows how it might have played out but If they had scored there, then 27-7 in the 3rd quarter might be a different game... poor coaching by Gailey. I absolutely agree with you. Spiller is not Marshawn "beast mode" Lynch. He is not a jam it up the middle back. He is an open field speed runner. It was a bad call by Gailey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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