uticaclub Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 (edited) I liked the idea of Poz more then I actually liked Poz Edited September 27, 2012 by uticaclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Hate to say it, but too bad we had to switch to that 3-4... i think he would be a nice asset to this defense. but ya cant keep them all Yea that drove him away, I liked him but didn't like his soft tackling and too many tackles down the field, maybe he has gotten better down there. He always seemed to get swallowd by blockers, I was never a huge Poz fan hell just froze over, we just agreed on something Then you must be anti Super Mario too. You must be anti super good play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I'm happy with how it's worked out for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I'm not sure which code we're violating by being critical of Poz. Great, he's the heart-and-soul of a defense that--through 3 games--has given up a 28th ranked 412 yards per game en route to a 1-2 record. Sounds like he's reprising the exact same role he played in Buffalo: great attitude, great work ethic, ****ty team, impossible to say whether or not he'd stand out on a team that can actually play. But, since he's all they got, it's a great story for the media to glom to and prop up the local fan base. It's like we're in 2008 all over again. They finished 6th last year while playing with the worst ranked offense in the NFL. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byteam?group=Defense&cat=Total&conference=NFL&year=season_2011&sort=1129&timeframe= That's pretty damn impressive. Poz is a very solid football player. My point is that we offer blame the solid players during times when our teams sucked (Poz, Fletcher, Evans, Whitner, Schobel). Those players were never the problem with the team yet they would get blamed for all the failings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Amazing how good former Bills become when they leave.. I always believed Poz and Whitner were solid draft picks.. But like a previous poster stated.. You can't keep them all!! Please refer to the career of Hatoli Ngata regarding the Whitner pick. Then remember the Bills gave up a third round pick to move up and draft Poz. Horrible. Absolutley horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamRoller67 Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 He got tackle numbers but I don't remember anything significant that he did here, no big plays. He was so so... the Jags overpaid. Here's my question to you... besides Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis, what MLB/ILB makes the "big plays" you mention? Just curious, because tackling is priority #1 for any MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyBacker Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 I liked him when he was here, but he was just wayyyyyy to much money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmasThoman Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 we never won a thing when he was here, and in games where we HAD to have him (when we were 5-2 that year and playing the jets, or later that year on MNF against the browns at home, or the next year in the opener against the pats) the defense could never make stops. say what you want about him being a great guy, or its not HIS fault that our d couldnt make those stops, but if they guy wants 50 million dollars, and to eat up THAT much of an organizations cap space, he better damn well take the blame for our failures. our defense was 24, 19, 14, and 31 while he was here. you want revis money? you shut down sections of the field like revis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted William's frozen head Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 Can't wait for someone to claim he could only tackle downfield. He certainly whiffed on a great number of would be tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 (edited) Hate to say it, but too bad we had to switch to that 3-4... i think he would be a nice asset to this defense. but ya cant keep them all Poz never impressed me, but we didn't have a great line in front of him. That said, Barnett is a huge upgrade on Poz IMO, both for playing ability and for 'knowing how to win' It's too bad we switched to the 3-4 because we sucked at it, we never really had a good fit of personnel, and it kind of wasted some draft choices and FA signings that we could have used to better improve a 4-3. Edited September 27, 2012 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBill Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Here's my question to you... besides Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis, what MLB/ILB makes the "big plays" you mention? Just curious, because tackling is priority #1 for any MLB. Exactly, you took the words right out of my mouth. MLB's don't usually lead the league in interceptions or sacks, they are supposed to be tackling machines, and Poz was and is, just like London Fletcher. Shows you how some people spout out about things yet dont' have a clue what they are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Exactly, you took the words right out of my mouth. MLB's don't usually lead the league in interceptions or sacks, they are supposed to be tackling machines, and Poz was and is, just like London Fletcher. Shows you how some people spout out about things yet dont' have a clue what they are talking about. Exactly. And the general consensus here is that Nix/Whaley/Gailey have made good personnel decisions. So, in spite of how off-the-mark posters at TSW might be, if those three didn't think he was worth the money, and that rookie Kelvin Shepherd could do his job as well, if not better, then it's them I trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Here's my question to you... besides Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis, what MLB/ILB makes the "big plays" you mention? Just curious, because tackling is priority #1 for any MLB. I would have liked to see him stuff a run play more than once. Poz was a fine player but not for that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARCELL DAREUS POWER Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 digi was better, so yeah.... poz is a solid player... thats it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Exactly. And the general consensus here is that Nix/Whaley/Gailey have made good personnel decisions. So, in spite of how off-the-mark posters at TSW might be, if those three didn't think he was worth the money, and that rookie Kelvin Shepherd could do his job as well, if not better, then it's them I trust. Not sure that is the general consensus. But even if true doesn't mean they've made the right move in every Case. Merriman and troupe a couple of undeniable clunkers, for example. In poz's case I think it was more than just money. I dont think they expressed to him any real great desire in keeping him or appreciation for his skills. If they had I bet they could have resigned him for less before he even hit FA market. I don't think hes elite like lewis (used to be) just that he's meaningfully better than shepperd and playing behind that line would have provided the presence we need in the LB corp to be an elite defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 In poz's case I think it was more than just money. I dont think they expressed to him any real great desire in keeping him or appreciation for his skills. If they had I bet they could have resigned him for less before he even hit FA market. According to all the stories when he signed with Jacksonville, Poz was offered the same money to stay but felt it was a better fit to play for a 4-3 team. So monetarily speaking the Bills certainly expressed the same desire to keep Poz as Jacksonville did to court him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Poz just wan't that good and certainly not worth the contract he received from Jax. That and Barnett is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 According to all the stories when he signed with Jacksonville, Poz was offered the same money to stay but felt it was a better fit to play for a 4-3 team. So monetarily speaking the Bills certainly expressed the same desire to keep Poz as Jacksonville did to court him. So all those in this thread saying he left for the money are wrong? That was my understanding too. Would like to see the articles/sources saying he was offered matching deal from bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrules Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I liked the Poz and hated to see him leave. He was IMO not worth the money he was given by the Jaquars. Still happy he is having sucess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 So all those in this thread saying he left for the money are wrong? That was my understanding too. Would like to see the articles/sources saying he was offered matching deal from bills Sure, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 (edited) Sure, why not? Well since you said "all the stories" said Bills matched Id at least think you'd quote some. I googled it and found: "He said, 'OK, I accepted it. They offered me more,'" said Jackie Posluszny, his mother. "He was just so surprised what an unbelievable offer that he got from them. He accepted it and he was thrilled to death." The Bills came close to matching the offer ... More importantly, he felt wanted by Jacksonville. Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville....m#ixzz27vumFxFF Couple things here: They didn't offer "same" like you said, but "came close to matching." Id like to see "close" quantified as it's not just stated value of contract, inludes upfront, guaranteed, other clauses etc. But whatever not the "same". Says more important than the money he felt "wanted" by Jags, implication being not so much by Bills. Again, consistent w/ my recollection. If they really wanted him they would have made it clear both monetarily and all the touchy feely stuff. Edited September 30, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Well since you said "all the stories" said Bills matched Id at least think you'd quote some. I googled it and found: "He said, 'OK, I accepted it. They offered me more,'" said Jackie Posluszny, his mother. "He was just so surprised what an unbelievable offer that he got from them. He accepted it and he was thrilled to death." The Bills came close to matching the offer ... More importantly, he felt wanted by Jacksonville. Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville....m#ixzz27vumFxFF Couple things here: They didn't offer "same" like you said, but "came close to matching." Id like to see "close" quantified as it's not just stated value of contract, inludes upfront, guaranteed, other clauses etc. But whatever not the "same". Says more important than the money he felt "wanted" by Jags, implication being not so much by Bills. Again, consistent w/ my recollection. If they really wanted him they would have made it clear both monetarily and all the touchy feely stuff. Nothing in any of those articles about wanting to play in a 4-3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 yes there was and I never said it wasn't a factor. Its the money and feeling wanted stuff runs counter to your post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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