Best Player Available Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 That thought has crossed my mind several times since Sunday. For all of Gailey's reputation as an offensive genius, is his offense too complex for players to pick up ? Is the general ineptness of the offense since the second half of last season more due to the hard headed nature of his system and the unwillingness to adjust ? Not sure of the answers but VY having difficulty, TJ inactive because 'he was not ready', Tarvaris not yet fully prepared (granted he was signed late) is leading me to wonder if simplification may solve some problems on O. Just how complex is Gailey's offense? Timing patterns BFD. If anyone watched steelers/broncos I would dare say their offenses are more "complex" Than Gaileys college crap offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Just how complex is Gailey's offense? Timing patterns BFD. If anyone watched steelers/broncos I would dare say their offenses are more "complex" Than Gaileys college crap offense. If Antonio Cromartie can master Chan's offense, then it is not clear how anyone arrives at a "too complicated" conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 If Angelo Cromartie can master Chan's offense, then it is not clear how anyone arrives at a "too complicated" conclusion. Yea, well put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 If Angelo Cromartie can master Chan's offense, then it is not clear how anyone arrives at a "too complicated" conclusion. The difference might just be that Rex Ryan actually coaches his players well enough so they know what to expect on each play. TJ Graham was inactive because Gailey stated he didn't know the offense well enough. "He wasn't quite ready; he's probably still not quite ready. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2012/9/10/3307988/buffalo-bills-tj-graham-inactive-david-nelson-injury Just sayin, the Bills didn't look anywhere near ready Sunday. not on offense, not on defense, not on special teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 The difference might just be that Rex Ryan actually coaches his players well enough so they know what to expect on each play. TJ Graham was inactive because Gailey stated he didn't know the offense well enough. "He wasn't quite ready; he's probably still not quite ready. http://www.buffaloru...d-nelson-injury Just sayin, the Bills didn't look anywhere near ready Sunday. not on offense, not on defense, not on special teams Let me put it another way as well. The Bills are 1-9 in their last ten games. The offense has laid eggs like a chicken coop. How many NFL defensive coordinators do you figure are "utterly mystified" by Chan's offense? Like you wrote, the fact the same coaching staff can't figure out how to get the 3rd rounder at least as "ready" as the rest of the cluster bang on display on Sunday isn't exactly a call for kudos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I don't think that at all. I just think VY was to stupid to learn Chans offense. You missed the point. I think VY thought it wasnt worth learning in the first place. he plays the game on the field, and knows athletes play athletes, systems dont play systems. Like Richard Seymour said "I never saw a system make a tackle." Pats are a good case in point: Bellichek has changed both his offense and defensive schemes over the years in accordance with the talent he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 You missed the point. I think VY thought it wasnt worth learning in the first place. he plays the game on the field, and knows athletes play athletes, systems dont play systems. Like Richard Seymour said "I never saw a system make a tackle." Pats are a good case in point: Bellichek has changed both his offense and defensive schemes over the years in accordance with the talent he had. Well, why is it that Vince Young doesn't have a job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Let me put it another way as well. The Bills are 1-9 in their last ten games. The offense has laid eggs like a chicken coop. How many NFL defensive coordinators do you figure are "utterly mystified" by Chan's offense? Like you wrote, the fact the same coaching staff can't figure out how to get the 3rd rounder at least as "ready" as the rest of the cluster bang on display on Sunday isn't exactly a call for kudos. On another note.... "By the last third of last year, defensive coordinators had figured out that Fitzpatrick never looks over the center of the field --all his passes go sideways or up the sideline. Since opponents figured this out, he's been throwing picks. His sideways pick-six to Antonio Cromartie on Sunday at Jersey/B was so predictable, Cromartie appeared to be the one running the pattern. After the game, Cromartie said the Jets were expecting Fitzpatrick to throw sideways." If opposing defensive coordinators have figured this out, then why haven't the Bills coaches changed things up? http://espn.go.com/espn/playbook/story/_/id/8363360/is-green-bay-sync-san-francisco-next-nfl-powerhouse btw, its Antonio Cromartie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Well, why is it that Vince Young doesn't have a job? He's being recruited by Mensa. btw, its Antonio Cromartie OK, thanks. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Well, why is it that Vince Young doesn't have a job? Don't you get it? It's obvious Vince Young just hasn't found an offense he thinks will work against the athletes of the league. As soon as he informs a team that their offense will indeed beat the athletes in the league, you can bet he'll be their QB. Just a matter of time. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Well, why is it that Vince Young doesn't have a job? Why does Chan have one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Why does Chan have one? because nobody else wanted it? except shotty, who RW wasn't "comfortable" with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Why does Chan have one? That's not what we are discussing. Every other team has passed on the guy. If we are gonna question anything about Vince Young it should be "why was he signed in the first place?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 holy crap do we over react this has gone past the point of pathetic, you give bills fans a bad name. These are the types of people the sporting world makes fun of. We are one game in 1 - which no different than losing 13-10 in over time. We will be 1-1 next week and so will the Jets. Get a grip ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Really. Were you watching the game Sunday? I also watched on the ticket the chiefs. You must know something I don't or they are going to change themselves completely as they sucked in all four phases of the game, offense, defense, special teams, and coaching! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Really. Were you watching the game Sunday? I also watched on the ticket the chiefs. You must know something I don't or they are going to change themselves completely as they sucked in all four phases of the game, offense, defense, special teams, and coaching! They will play much better, but the pre-season playoff dreams seem delusional. Another middle of the pack, 7-9 type season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 The bottom line is that we still need a QB. Is VY better than Thiggy - yes, but that ship has sailed. Next ....... The bottom line is that we still need a QB. Is VY better than Thiggy - yes, but that ship has sailed. Next ....... Perhaps we can get Kapernick from SFran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Tarvaris Jackson is better than VY. I imagine he is very excited about the way Fitz is playing right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 flame away. Will do... What made you even think to ask the question? Was it all the other teams in the NFL fighting each other to sign him once we cut him? Was it his strong pocket presence and razor sharp accuracy that beckons this query of yours? Just trying to get a handle on how this is even a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 That's not what we are discussing. Every other team has passed on the guy. If we are gonna question anything about Vince Young it should be "why was he signed in the first place?". Simon stated in a thread that Buddy Nix wanted VY. There was not much support for him in the FO but others went along with Nix as he is the big man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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