truth on hold Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 (edited) I'm starting to think Obama. Both are off to disgraceful starts IMO with lies and smears, when America is owed real debate and discussion. Dems trying to demonize MR for heading Bain. So what? It's the private sector and he did what private equity firms do. Unless there's something illegal, nothing wrong with it. Matter of fact everything is right with it from an American success story perspective. MR doing his part running around saying BO is "soft on defense", promising to keep defense jobs in key states where it's a big part of the economy, even though it's wholly irresponsbile for a so-called "fiscal conservative" to be making any such budget promises when the Federal Government is on the financial precipice and defense is the #1 discretionary item. Major cuts in defense and entitlements are needed, and everyone freaking knows it. But I think the early rounds are starting to go to BO, with his campaign organizers showing better media war skills. BO will also be a better, more proven fighter than primary lightweights. To account for the lackluster economy, he'll point to the state of the nation he inherited from Bush. And he has plenty of "ammunition" to show he's more than willing to offer American lives and tax dollars for foreign wars. The supporters he aliented like gays and peaceniks will be easily wooed back (already saw with gay marriage), because they won't see Mitt as an alternative. I also think he'll be an animal in the debates and tear MR a new one, like Cheney did to Edwards in VP debates. Remember, Mitt never had to go one on one in primaries. One thing up for grabs given the sleazy starts is taking the high road and appealing more to Americans on an intellectual level. BO did it to Hillary in the primaries (the latter running a "promise the locals anything" campaign), and he did the same to the senile, paranoid, babbling old kook McCain. Be interested what others think. Edited July 15, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Honestly I don't know. And I've been pretty good at predicting this crap 3 years ago I said Obama would overstep his bounds and the Republicans would win back the House and possibly the Senate. Close enough Obama would then try to do what Clinton did and run against Congress. Spot on The Republicans would nominate a phony used car salesman named Mitt Romney. Not really out on a limb there Obama would cruise to re-election I'm surprised it's even close within 4 months of the election. Obama has mastered the short attention span theatre of the American voter. Maybe my fellow Ameruhhhcans aren't as, ooh shiny and a dog with a poofy tail! What was I saying, oh yeah. I heard Kim K might be preggers. Yes we can! Forward! I suspect something will happen in the next 2-3 months that will break it one direction for an easy win. Which way I don't know. If the economy improves Obama will benefit. If things stagnate or get worse, Romney can ride the Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago wave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomato can Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Mitt has a lot of work to do and a short time to get it done. He is faces a lot of scrutiny over the release of his taxes. Kerry faced the same scrutiny over the swift boat issue. While Gov of Mass they ranked 47th out of 50 states in job creation. His team stretched the truth a great deal that he was this big job creator while at Bain. Honestly I believe that people aren't buying the cut taxes for business lines that Mitt is going to deliver so they can create jobs and fire up the economy. Business will hire based on profits, not taxes! A lot of businesses just don't have the demand for their product and have no reason to hire a bunch of workers. The cut taxes line for business is getting old especially when the results just are not there. Mitt has to bring a different message to the voters to win them over. Obama wins easily because the Republicans don't have a really strong candidate. I don't believe that he wins because he has done some great job in his first term. I'm an independent voter. I haven't made a decision yet. Obama loses me with his stance on immigration, gay marriage, ect. Mitt hasn't shown me much either. Stretching the truth about being a big job creator in times of high unemployment is extremely disingenuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I'm an independent voter. I haven't made a decision yet. Judging by your post history, you think that you're independent. And you may have convinced yourself that you really are But seriously dude, you're going to go cast a ballot for The Peoples Party like a Borg drone is supposed to Me on the other hand, I can't stomach either doosh. I want to cast a vote for Gary Johnson. But I live in one of those 57 or so swing states. I'm already sick of the TV ads and I wish hot women called me as often as Obama and Romney Do I vote my conscience for Johnson? Do I vote for the Tastes Great(er than Piss)/Less(er) Filling candidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 The Republicrat will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 The Republicrat will win. Hey Tom, your little buddy is a cute one, isn't he? He wants to vote for a president that "knows" macro-economics is all bunk, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Romney. It's close right now. But Romney hasn't chosen a VP yet. But where I see him gaining major traction is during the debates as he dresses-down Barry, who will be teleprompter-less. So far Barry's negative ads have been working because there is no immediate rebuttal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I'm starting to think Obama. Both are off to disgraceful starts IMO with lies and smears, when America is owed real debate and discussion. Dems trying to demonize MR for heading Bain. So what? It's the private sector and he did what private equity firms do. Unless there's something illegal, nothing wrong with it. Matter of fact everything is right with it from an American success story perspective. MR doing his part running around saying BO is "soft on defense", promising to keep defense jobs in key states where it's a big part of the economy, even though it's wholly irresponsbile for a so-called "fiscal conservative" to be making any such budget promises when the Federal Government is on the financial precipice and defense is the #1 discretionary item. Major cuts in defense and entitlements are needed, and everyone freaking knows it. But I think the early rounds are starting to go to BO, with his campaign organizers showing better media war skills. BO will also be a better, more proven fighter than primary lightweights. To account for the lackluster economy, he'll point to the state of the nation he inherited from Bush. And he has plenty of "ammunition" to show he's more than willing to offer American lives and tax dollars for foreign wars. The supporters he aliented like gays and peaceniks will be easily wooed back (already saw with gay marriage), because they won't see Mitt as an alternative. I also think he'll be an animal in the debates and tear MR a new one, like Cheney did to Edwards in VP debates. Remember, Mitt never had to go one on one in primaries. One thing up for grabs given the sleazy starts is taking the high road and appealing more to Americans on an intellectual level. BO did it to Hillary in the primaries (the latter running a "promise the locals anything" campaign), and he did the same to the senile, paranoid, babbling old kook McCain. Be interested what others think. Which in turn will go over like a lead balloon. To answer your question, Romney will win this election in a landslide. As much as people liked Dick Jauron, he was a big loser. Same thing with Obama. America may like him, but they know that he's a big loser and that he's transformed our country into a loser country. The democrats haven't won a significant election since Obama has taken office and there's literally no sign of them ever embracing him again. He had his shot and it's clear to the majority that he's either in way over his head or he's deliberately ruining the American economy to force as many people on government assistance as possible because he's a socialist. Either way, he's lost those votes forever. The "close race" polls are BS. People are lying and they're usually heavily weighted towards democrats. Add in the fact that a lot of Obama supporters from 2008 will stay home and you end up with a landslide for Romney. Still don't believe me? Just read the tea leaves. Look at the recall election of a very conservative governor in the liberal state of WI. Just look at all of the democratic congress members who are not going to their own convention. Eventually the polls will break heavily for Romney, the toss up states will break heavily for Romney and America will back a "winner" this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted July 15, 2012 Author Share Posted July 15, 2012 Romney. It's close right now. But Romney hasn't chosen a VP yet. But where I see him gaining major traction is during the debates as he dresses-down Barry, who will be teleprompter-less. So far Barry's negative ads have been working because there is no immediate rebuttal. BOs major weakness is lackluster job growth. This is where MRs private sector success should be a huge positive vs a career lawyer / politician. BO campaign has to demonize his bain background to try ans block that from happening. To me is bain background represents a superior, hands on understanding vs BO. As you say the public so far is buying the attack on bain, unlike you I have no confidence in MR turning the tide. During the Reagan era yes, but the mood now is a bottomless pit of hate for anything wall street-related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Don't know who will win. Expect the polls to be close until about 2-3 weeks before the election and then things will break hard towards one of them and the final result will resemble a landslide. If Romney wins, it'll be on the back of the economy and a strong debate performance. If the President wins, some of the **** he's been throwing at Romney will have finally stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 BOs major weakness is lackluster job growth. This is where MRs private sector success should be a huge positive vs a career lawyer / politician. BO campaign has to demonize his bain background to try ans block that from happening. To me is bain background represents a superior, hands on understanding vs BO. As you say the public so far is buying the attack on bain, unlike you I have no confidence in MR turning the tide. During the Reagan era yes, but the mood now is a bottomless pit of hate for anything wall street-related. He'll turn the tide during the debates. Again it's one thing to put-out lying ads and go around the country campaigning on lies without any rebuttals. Once he's face-to-face with Barry, he'll destroy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Mitt has a lot of work to do and a short time to get it done. He is faces a lot of scrutiny over the release of his taxes. Kerry faced the same scrutiny over the swift boat issue. While Gov of Mass they ranked 47th out of 50 states in job creation. His team stretched the truth a great deal that he was this big job creator while at Bain. Honestly I believe that people aren't buying the cut taxes for business lines that Mitt is going to deliver so they can create jobs and fire up the economy. Business will hire based on profits, not taxes! A lot of businesses just don't have the demand for their product and have no reason to hire a bunch of workers. The cut taxes line for business is getting old especially when the results just are not there. Mitt has to bring a different message to the voters to win them over. Obama wins easily because the Republicans don't have a really strong candidate. I don't believe that he wins because he has done some great job in his first term. I'm an independent voter. I haven't made a decision yet. Obama loses me with his stance on immigration, gay marriage, ect. Mitt hasn't shown me much either. Stretching the truth about being a big job creator in times of high unemployment is extremely disingenuous. Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted July 15, 2012 Author Share Posted July 15, 2012 (edited) @ Doc, What makes you so confident ? BO's strength is public speaking and debate. Edited July 15, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I'm starting to think Obama. Both are off to disgraceful starts IMO with lies and smears, when America is owed real debate and discussion. Dems trying to demonize MR for heading Bain. So what? It's the private sector and he did what private equity firms do. Unless there's something illegal, nothing wrong with it. Matter of fact everything is right with it from an American success story perspective. MR doing his part running around saying BO is "soft on defense", promising to keep defense jobs in key states where it's a big part of the economy, even though it's wholly irresponsbile for a so-called "fiscal conservative" to be making any such budget promises when the Federal Government is on the financial precipice and defense is the #1 discretionary item. Major cuts in defense and entitlements are needed, and everyone freaking knows it. But I think the early rounds are starting to go to BO, with his campaign organizers showing better media war skills. BO will also be a better, more proven fighter than primary lightweights. To account for the lackluster economy, he'll point to the state of the nation he inherited from Bush. And he has plenty of "ammunition" to show he's more than willing to offer American lives and tax dollars for foreign wars. The supporters he aliented like gays and peaceniks will be easily wooed back (already saw with gay marriage), because they won't see Mitt as an alternative. I also think he'll be an animal in the debates and tear MR a new one, like Cheney did to Edwards in VP debates. Remember, Mitt never had to go one on one in primaries. One thing up for grabs given the sleazy starts is taking the high road and appealing more to Americans on an intellectual level. BO did it to Hillary in the primaries (the latter running a "promise the locals anything" campaign), and he did the same to the senile, paranoid, babbling old kook McCain. Be interested what others think. Has Romney actually lied about Obama, or is this one of those things where we just say everyone's the same so we can pretend to be independent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 OBama. Too many people in this country still believe in Santa Claus. Hey Tom, your little buddy is a cute one, isn't he? He wants to vote for a president that "knows" macro-economics is all bunk, lol Shut up, DiN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 @ Doc, What makes you so confident ? BO's strength is public speaking and debate. Public speaking, yes. Debating I'll give the edge to Romney. He's got a lot more ammo than Barry does and none of it involves lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 OBama. Too many people in this country still believe in Santa Claus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 OBama. Too many people in this country still believe in Santa Claus. In this part of NC lots of the Obama stickers are already poping up. Amazing that a state that voted against gay marriage voted Obama in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 See who's bailing on Obama: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/8/curl-whos-bailing-on-obama-just-about-everybody/ “President Obama does not currently have enough white support to win re-election even if he retains his minority base from 2008,” Real Clear Politics’ David Paul Kuhn wrote late last month. “Today, fewer whites back Obama than any Democratic candidate since Walter Mondale. Romney does not need to emulate Ronald Reagan to win. Should he match Reagan’s share of the white vote in 1984 — presuming all else remains constant since 2008 — Romney would rout Obama.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck_dodgers007 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 No matter who wins we know who the losers will be: the American people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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