OCinBuffalo Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) I understand your logic. However, Kuechly has great tape and is has veteran like instincts with a high motor. Players with those descriptions usually don't have combine numbers like Kuechly's. I was just trying to point out he has the athleticism like that of Patrick Willis' to back up his instincts. Oh and: My link That's not the premise of your post, which, was my objection. If we are going to talk numbers, that's fine, as long as we talk...."look in his eyes when he made that play against X as well". That doesn't mean I want the kid who is best at celebrating after a play either. I want the kid who makes a good play, celebrates a little if appropriate, but definitely stares at the other team with a "every play, all day" look on his face. And, what is the 10th word in your link? Now, contrast that with Mark Sanchez's magazine activity. Get it? Edited March 20, 2012 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 as a fsu fan i got to watch kuechly for a few years, and it seems like he'd be involved with every play either making the tackle or assisting with the tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Every game and piece of tape I've seen of Kuechly indicates he's a playmaking football player. If the Bills think he's worth it at 10 then by all means they should take him. People get too hung up on where a player is selected. If you like the guy and he's rated the BPA on your board, take him. Oh, and I don't understand how anyone could watch him and say he's not good in coverage. He's a natural at it. I even recall Mayock (BC bias aside) saying he was one of the best LBs he's ever seen being able to make proper drops in coverage. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tcali Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 workout warriors...yawn.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBuffaloBills Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 workout warriors...yawn.... A workout warrior with record setting production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 To consider a LB at 10, he'd need to be able to cover Gronk. If he can't, pass. I didnt see any NFL LB able to cover Gronk this year To consider a LB at 10, he'd need to be able to cover Gronk. If he can't, pass. I didnt see any NFL LB able to cover Gronk this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 youtube.com/watch?v=I0JNVsimiwk If that is the worst clip of the kid, then draft him at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-scout Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Prospect A Position:Linebacker Size:6'3 242 lbs 40 yard dash: 4.58 Bench Reps:27 3 cone drill: 6.92 Vert: 38 inches 20 yard shuttle: 4.12 Broad Jump: 123 inches Prospect B Position: Linebacker Size: 6'1 242lbs 40 yard dash: 4.51 Bench Reps: 22 3 cone drill: 7.23 Vert: 39 inches 20 yard shuttle: 4.46 Broad Jump: 119 inches -------------------------------------------------- I'm sure the majority of you guys would pick Prospect A, then B. Any guesses on which prospects these combine numbers belong to? Well, Prospect A= Luke Kuechly, and Prospect B= Patrick Willis. We all know how much of a freak Patrick Willis is, so this puts in perspective how athletic Kuechly is. It's crazy to think they weighed in at 242lbs and had pretty similar numbers except for 3 cone drill and 20 yard shuttle. Also, if we draft him then he'd be just one pick sooner than when Patrick Willis was drafted (11th pick in the 2007 draft). Kuechly also had 100 more tackles in his senior year than Willis' senior year, and had better stats in almost every category. I fully expect Kuechly to be as much as a game changer as Patrick Willis in the pros. The biggest knock on Kuechly is that he doesn't cause too much damage in the backfield, but hat's exactly what we're paying Dareus, Kyle, and Mario to do. Kuechly will be able to fly around the field, rack up tons of tackles, make tons of plays, and be able to cover bigger guys like Gronk. Mayock said he's the best drop linebacker he's ever seen. He's better in almost every aspect than Poz. He has the production, the instincts, and athleticism to be an absolute force on our defense for the next 15 years (he's only 20 years old). If you haven't seen his tape, you should start with this video. youtube.com/watch?v=lXSfQWM0f3Y If we pass on this kid, be prepared to watch him tear it up for a long time. Sorry I wouldn't touch him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Linebacker Patrick Willis wowed scouts with a 4.37 40-yard dash during Mississippi's Pro Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Sorry I wouldn't touch him. Good analysis.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 That really did remind me of Paul P. I cannot comment on the kid, because I honestly do not recall ever paying attention to him to make any honest assessment. I can say, however, that it appears that the NFL has de-valued both running backs and linebackers (particular inside linebackers). Kirk Morrison commented on this last week on Sirius. The thought is that, given that the NFL is a pass happy league, those positions are not as important as they were previously unless the particular player is effective for all three downs including in passing situations. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule. In any event, I am just throwing this out there. The issue becomes, is it worthwhile taking a linebacker with the first pick in the draft unless he can rush the passer or is effective in coverage. If you had the opportunity to pick a Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis with the 10th pick, you would go ahead and pick that player. If the linebacker is a Paul P. or someone like that, there is no way I would use a 10th pick in the draft on that player. Whoever we pick at 10, it should be someone who is going to be an impact player (whether it is this kid or someone else). youtube.com/watch?v=I0JNVsimiwk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meark Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Sorry I wouldn't touch him. I don't think anyone asked you to touch him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 workout warriors...yawn.... Deciding to post something strictly based on a thread title without doing any reading... Yawn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 I would base my decision by watching actual football games. +1. What a novel approach. Kind of like that Josh Robinson kid fron Central Florida. Great workout and super fast but was only an average football player. I'm sure the Raiders would take him if Al Davis was still around. Not saying this guy is average .. just saying to use the measurables to try and prove a point is very little proof to me. I'd take this: Over this: Luke Kuechly to me, compares very favorably to Paul Posluszny. Decent in run support, not so great in coverage, and a little tight in the hips. I don't understand all the hype as far as a top 10 talent. I see him as more of a top 40 prospect to a team looking for a strong MLB. There no way Kuechly would survive as an OLB in the NFL, IMO. Like I said, just doesn't look fluid when he drops into coverage. Based on that clip, I would agree with you about LK .He Seemed a completely little lost in pass coverage. But that is a small sampling size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 The guy was second behind Von Miller last year & this year he wins the award ---- HMMM let me see --- we need a LB and this guy is one of if not the best to be coming out this year ---- I think Buddy probably has his eyes on him !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) Prospect A Position:Linebacker Size:6'3 242 lbs 40 yard dash: 4.58 Bench Reps: 27 3 cone drill: 6.92 Vert: 38 inches 20 yard shuttle: 4.12 Broad Jump: 123 inches Prospect B Position: Linebacker Size: 6'1 242lbs 40 yard dash: 4.51 Bench Reps: 22 3 cone drill: 7.23 Vert: 39 inches 20 yard shuttle: 4.46 Broad Jump: 119 inches Prospect C Position: Linebacker Size: 6'3 245 lbs 40 yard dash: 4.50 (also ran a 4.43) Bench Reps: 23 3 cone drill: 6.70 Vert: 33.5 inches 20 yard shuttle: 4.03 Broad Jump: 123 inches Notice how the mystery Prospect C is bigger, faster, and more agile than the other two. His vertical jump isn't as good nor is his bench press but he plays with much more power than Keuchly. In fact the mystery prospect played DE in a 3-3 and 3-4 scheme routinely going up against 300 pound offensive tackles… and more than holding his own. He's an elite pass rusher who is also very good against the run. He was not asked to drop into coverage too often but shows excellent instincts and his agility (3-cone and short shuttle) were obvious on tape and were the best times at the combine. If he was coached to cover recievers, I have zero doubt he'd excel at it. Personally I think Luke Keuchly is a good player but a bit overrated. Let's add from last year's draft: Prospect D Position: Linebacker Size: 6'2 5/8 246 lbs 40 yard dash: 4.53 Bench Reps: 21 3 cone drill: 6.70 Vert: 37 inches 20 yard shuttle: 4.06 Broad Jump: 126 inches Edited March 21, 2012 by San Jose Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Care to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Care to share? Yes. Prospect C is West Virginia DE/OLB Bruce Irvin. He's generally projected as a 2nd or 3rd rounder. I consider him to be an elite player. I could be wrong. Prospect D is Von Miller, last year's 2nd overall pick from Texas A&M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Jeez guys, he was only using the combine as a way to compare his measurables to an NFL superstar. The production that everyone cares about is there too. I think he's an exciting prospect. As sure a thing you could get at 10. Boom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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