TheBuffaloBills Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Prospect A Position:Linebacker Size:6'3 242 lbs 40 yard dash: 4.58 Bench Reps:27 3 cone drill: 6.92 Vert: 38 inches 20 yard shuttle: 4.12 Broad Jump: 123 inches Prospect B Position: Linebacker Size: 6'1 242lbs 40 yard dash: 4.51 Bench Reps: 22 3 cone drill: 7.23 Vert: 39 inches 20 yard shuttle: 4.46 Broad Jump: 119 inches -------------------------------------------------- I'm sure the majority of you guys would pick Prospect A, then B. Any guesses on which prospects these combine numbers belong to? Well, Prospect A= Luke Kuechly, and Prospect B= Patrick Willis. We all know how much of a freak Patrick Willis is, so this puts in perspective how athletic Kuechly is. It's crazy to think they weighed in at 242lbs and had pretty similar numbers except for 3 cone drill and 20 yard shuttle. Also, if we draft him then he'd be just one pick sooner than when Patrick Willis was drafted (11th pick in the 2007 draft). Kuechly also had 100 more tackles in his senior year than Willis' senior year, and had better stats in almost every category. I fully expect Kuechly to be as much as a game changer as Patrick Willis in the pros. The biggest knock on Kuechly is that he doesn't cause too much damage in the backfield, but hat's exactly what we're paying Dareus, Kyle, and Mario to do. Kuechly will be able to fly around the field, rack up tons of tackles, make tons of plays, and be able to cover bigger guys like Gronk. Mayock said he's the best drop linebacker he's ever seen. He's better in almost every aspect than Poz. He has the production, the instincts, and athleticism to be an absolute force on our defense for the next 15 years (he's only 20 years old). If you haven't seen his tape, you should start with this video. If we pass on this kid, be prepared to watch him tear it up for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) I would base my decision by watching actual football games. Edited March 20, 2012 by cantankerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I wouldn't take any player based on combine numbers and neither do most league personnel people. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I would base my decision by watching actual football games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 To consider a LB at 10, he'd need to be able to cover Gronk. If he can't, pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Neither. If combine numbers is all you have. Jeff George could throw it a mile....Jemarcus Russel could throw it a half mile....from his knees! (did you see that on youtube? ) And Ryan Leaf was "superior" to Peyton Manning in every measurable category there is, or ever will be. In contrast, George Wilson is a football player, not a practice/weight room/press conference/magazine cover hero, who will hit them in the mouth, win you a game if he gets the chance(um, NE), and won't be douching around in Hollywood any time soon. Now, ask yourself....which of these 2 kids is most like Wilson = willing to change positions, or whatever else it takes to make it, and then once he gets his opportunity, to excel, in the NFL? That's who we need. They have to have talent/learned skills or they wouldn't be rated this high. But, talent is not enough. Edit: Or, the quicker way to say this = would you rather have Mark Sanchez or Ryan Fitzpatrick on this team right now? Edited March 20, 2012 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Jeez guys, he was only using the combine as a way to compare his measurables to an NFL superstar. The production that everyone cares about is there too. I think he's an exciting prospect. As sure a thing you could get at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Glad to see others have posted along the lines of "You dont take players based on combine numbers". That being said, Kuechly has started to grow on me. Not sure about him at #10 though. Maybe in a trade down, or more likely a trade up from our 2nd, scenario. But I'd be very happy to see him as a selection. The more research I do, Im finding that there are a number of good LB prospects in this draft that should be available into the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Will be interesting to see who we end up with. Edited March 20, 2012 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I'm not debating whether this kid is a quality prospect or not. If we are going to take a LB in Rd (or any early round) I would like it to be an OLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Jeez guys, he was only using the combine as a way to compare his measurables to an NFL superstar. The production that everyone cares about is there too. I think he's an exciting prospect. As sure a thing you could get at 10. Dude, some of us are merely trying to stave off the nonsense. It's not personal to this guy or this post. It actually cannot be. Not when this is the first of 10k posts/threads like it, most much worse than this, that are based on faulty premises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I'm not debating whether this kid is a quality prospect or not. If we are going to take a LB in Rd (or any early round) I would like it to be an OLB Id ass-u-me if we drafted Kuechly, it would be to play the SAM spot Outside. I think they like having Shep in the Middle to thud. Let Kuechly roam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Prospect A Position:Linebacker Size:6'3 242 lbs 40 yard dash: 4.58 Bench Reps:27 3 cone drill: 6.92 Vert: 38 inches 20 yard shuttle: 4.12 Broad Jump: 123 inches Prospect B Position: Linebacker Size: 6'1 242lbs 40 yard dash: 4.51 Bench Reps: 22 3 cone drill: 7.23 Vert: 39 inches 20 yard shuttle: 4.46 Broad Jump: 119 inches -------------------------------------------------- I'm sure the majority of you guys would pick Prospect A, then B. Any guesses on which prospects these combine numbers belong to? Well, Prospect A= Luke Kuechly, and Prospect B= Patrick Willis. We all know how much of a freak Patrick Willis is, so this puts in perspective how athletic Kuechly is. It's crazy to think they weighed in at 242lbs and had pretty similar numbers except for 3 cone drill and 20 yard shuttle. Also, if we draft him then he'd be just one pick sooner than when Patrick Willis was drafted (11th pick in the 2007 draft). Kuechly also had 100 more tackles in his senior year than Willis' senior year, and had better stats in almost every category. I fully expect Kuechly to be as much as a game changer as Patrick Willis in the pros. The biggest knock on Kuechly is that he doesn't cause too much damage in the backfield, but hat's exactly what we're paying Dareus, Kyle, and Mario to do. Kuechly will be able to fly around the field, rack up tons of tackles, make tons of plays, and be able to cover bigger guys like Gronk. Mayock said he's the best drop linebacker he's ever seen. He's better in almost every aspect than Poz. He has the production, the instincts, and athleticism to be an absolute force on our defense for the next 15 years (he's only 20 years old). If you haven't seen his tape, you should start with this video. youtube.com/watch?v=lXSfQWM0f3Y If we pass on this kid, be prepared to watch him tear it up for a long time. I don't think those numbers are right for Willis. I seem to remember him posting a 4.37 in the 40! Maybe it was a proday though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 How about these comparisons: Player A Player B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBuffaloBills Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 You guys clearly are not understanding the meaning of this post. I'll be honest, before really looking into I thought he was another Poz. And when you hear about instictive linebackers, athleticism isn't the first thing that comes to mind. Yes I know, numbers aren't everything, but they do translate to the field (If they didn't there wouldn't be a combine). This comparison was made to prove that Kuechly has the athleticism of a Patrick Willis. Sure, they're different players but I've seen a bunch of posts saying Kuechly is not on Patrick Willis' level and he's the same player as Poz, even though it couldn't be further from the truth. Everybody calm down, and not jump the gun when a person starts comparing combine numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Rumor has, there are a bunch of NFL folks here today, at University Of Texas...anyone know what is up with that? I wanna see if I can get Mike Mularkeys' autograph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I'd take this: Over this: Luke Kuechly to me, compares very favorably to Paul Posluszny. Decent in run support, not so great in coverage, and a little tight in the hips. I don't understand all the hype as far as a top 10 talent. I see him as more of a top 40 prospect to a team looking for a strong MLB. There no way Kuechly would survive as an OLB in the NFL, IMO. Like I said, just doesn't look fluid when he drops into coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBuffaloBills Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) I'd take this: Over this: Luke Kuechly to me, compares very favorably to Paul Posluszny. Decent in run support, not so great in coverage, and a little tight in the hips. I don't understand all the hype as far as a top 10 talent. I see him as more of a top 40 prospect to a team looking for a strong MLB. There no way Kuechly would survive as an OLB in the NFL, IMO. Like I said, just doesn't look fluid when he drops into coverage. Kuechly is known for being excellent in coverage. I really like Lavonte and would love him in the second if we don't take Kuechly. I don't think those numbers are right for Willis. I seem to remember him posting a 4.37 in the 40! Maybe it was a proday though. Yeah that was his proday 40 time. Edited March 20, 2012 by TheBuffaloBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I've watched every game that Kuechly played at BC and I cant tell you that he always stands out as one of the best players on the field. The kid is more fluid than Poz and is a better athlete overall. He also has incredible instincts and is always around the ball. If we have the chance to get him at #10 I would be siked to have him, I'm just not sure that's our greatest need at this point. Anyways, all I'm trying to say is that his college tape backs up his combine numbers. This kid is going to be a stud linebacker for the next decade.. I have no doubts about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBuffaloBills Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Neither. If combine numbers is all you have. Jeff George could throw it a mile....Jemarcus Russel could throw it a half mile....from his knees! (did you see that on youtube? ) And Ryan Leaf was "superior" to Peyton Manning in every measurable category there is, or ever will be. In contrast, George Wilson is a football player, not a practice/weight room/press conference/magazine cover hero, who will hit them in the mouth, win you a game if he gets the chance(um, NE), and won't be douching around in Hollywood any time soon. Now, ask yourself....which of these 2 kids is most like Wilson = willing to change positions, or whatever else it takes to make it, and then once he gets his opportunity, to excel, in the NFL? That's who we need. They have to have talent/learned skills or they wouldn't be rated this high. But, talent is not enough. Edit: Or, the quicker way to say this = would you rather have Mark Sanchez or Ryan Fitzpatrick on this team right now? I understand your logic. However, Kuechly has great tape and is has veteran like instincts with a high motor. Players with those descriptions usually don't have combine numbers like Kuechly's. I was just trying to point out he has the athleticism like that of Patrick Willis' to back up his instincts. Oh and: My link Edited March 20, 2012 by TheBuffaloBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Based on your title of the thread, I was ready to kill you. The Combine doesn't mean squat...yadayada.. But Kuechly's solid Combine numbers are backed up with a great college career. You make a solid point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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