OCinBuffalo Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Just a quick exercise to show BMoreBills how silly his premises are. Don't waste your time... I finally decided to quit this hard line conservative love-fest and found a great forum to debate in WITHOUT all of these incessant insults, a balanced forum. Only on the Bills forum for me now... Looks like Bmore has joined the long list of posters who can't debate, rather than won't debate, and of course blame us because they can't win an argument. Bmore, you came at this topic entirely wrong. I know what you are trying to say, but, your premises are F'ed. They are dependent on things that aren't, and you have a cause and effect confused. Without this, you have the makings of a reasonable point, but, your logically sloppiness and over-reliance on failed ideology is why you CAN'T make it. Get a clue: you don't need the FAIL to make your point. Free yourself from the FAIL, and then I believe you'll find it a lot easier to form convincing arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Looks like Bmore has joined the long list of posters who can't debate, rather than won't debate, and of course blame us because they can't win an argument. Bmore, you came at this topic entirely wrong. I know what you are trying to say, but, your premises are F'ed. They are dependent on things that aren't, and you have a cause and effect confused. Without this, you have the makings of a reasonable point, but, your logically sloppiness and over-reliance on failed ideology is why you CAN'T make it. Get a clue: you don't need the FAIL to make your point. Free yourself from the FAIL, and then I believe you'll find it a lot easier to form convincing arguments. In fairness to him, his posts merely reflect the story. He's only regurgitating what he was told: that working long, boring hours is inhumane. Never mind that somewhere in China right now there's a coal miner wishing he'd live long enough on the job to kill himself, and would gladly trade that for a boring 60-hour-a-week job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) It is a crime that all inhabitants of earth do not work and live as comfortably as I do, and one which needs to be adressed immediately. I propose that all US companies should be forced to source all supplies domestically or that all foreign suppliers employ workers who are paid equivalent to thier American counterparts under equally suitable working conditions. Foreign goods made by exploiting cheap labor should be subject to large tariffs, taxes and quotas to ensure that a Samsung tablet is at least 50% more expensive than the $1,100 US made iPhone. By ensuring that our goods are obscenely expensive both abroad and here in the US, and our imports are even more expensive, we will reduce consumption of all goods and thus prosper. Clearly the path to global prosperity is paved with extreme regulations, tariffs on foreign goods, and subsidies for domestic industry. Free trade is blight on economic progress. Edited February 10, 2012 by Jauronimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 In fairness to him, his posts merely reflect the story. He's only regurgitating what he was told: that working long, boring hours is inhumane. Never mind that somewhere in China right now there's a coal miner wishing he'd live long enough on the job to kill himself, and would gladly trade that for a boring 60-hour-a-week job. Or, the literally millions of literally peasants, who are being forcibly kept away from the cities. I bet they would like to have a job at Apple. I wonder...in a leftist society, are there supposed to be peasants? How come you only find peasants in leftist societies? Where are legal US citizens that are peasants? Oh, that's right, we don't have any. Why? Because other people, from other countries, are all too happy to come here and be our peasants for a while until they can go back home and live like kings, or, they can move up and become legitimate citizens. Funny how nobody wants to be the peasant in leftist societies....look at Europe. When they demand that they live like the rest of their citizens, or earn their keep....they riot. They do so, because it ain't that great in Europe to begin with, and, they really don't have much to gain or lose, so they might as well fight. In contrast, our peasants would never riot, because they have far too much to lose. The smart play is to make their money, do their time and go back home, while doing nothing to risk it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Everyone eventually ends up a peasant under socialism or communism. 9except for the rulers of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 ABC Nightline got to tour the factory, and yes they talk about the nets. http://abcnews.go.com/International/trip-ifactory-nightline-unprecedented-glimpse-inside-apples-chinese/story?id=15748745 Not sure when the video of the episode will be put online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfatbillsfan Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Looks like Bmore has joined the long list of posters who can't debate, rather than won't debate, and of course blame us because they can't win an argument. Bmore, you came at this topic entirely wrong. I know what you are trying to say, but, your premises are F'ed. They are dependent on things that aren't, and you have a cause and effect confused. Without this, you have the makings of a reasonable point, but, your logically sloppiness and over-reliance on failed ideology is why you CAN'T make it. Get a clue: you don't need the FAIL to make your point. Free yourself from the FAIL, and then I believe you'll find it a lot easier to form convincing arguments. And do you offer anything more than your own stupid opinions when trying to prove a point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 ABC Nightline got to tour the factory, and yes they talk about the nets. http://abcnews.go.com/International/trip-ifactory-nightline-unprecedented-glimpse-inside-apples-chinese/story?id=15748745 Not sure when the video of the episode will be put online. I thought this was pretty interesting - two topics I've seen other places but not addressed in the report are 1. Paying workers for less hours than actually worked (not just a Chinese thing to be sure) 2. The use of N-Hexane which acts as a neural toxin " Foxconn used N-Hexane, which evaporates faster than alcohol, to speed up production of touch screens for Apple products. It has since gone back to using alcohol." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) And do you offer anything more than your own stupid opinions when trying to prove a point? Sure....all the time. The problem is: people like you don't know enough about the material to be able to distinguish my opinions from the facts I base them on. So, it all seems like a blur doesn't it? Here, I'll make it easy for you: Fact #1: There are always large #s of peasants in socialist societies. Fact #2: The per capita income in a socialist society always pales in comparison to that of free societies. (To help you along with the material...per capita means per person, so in this case we are talking income per person) See, I know the facts above are facts, because I'm educated, I have seen the data, I know how to interpret it properly, and would be able to tell if something was wrong with it...all by myself! In contrast, you have no friggin clue if the above statements are true, because you are ignorant, you wouldn't know what you were looking at even if you were presented with all of the relevant data, and therefore you are dependent on other people to tell you what your opinion should be. And that's why: everything is opinion....to you... Edit: Silly, silly, "progressive"....the facts are your enemies, not mine. Edited February 24, 2012 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_c1 Although it is not as bad as many manufacturing sites, it is still very reminiscent of a Charlie Chaplin movie, Modern Times: youtube.com/watch?v=CYbsBcPDVQM As this is the Charles Dickens anniversary, this story only proves that in many parts of the world, times have not changed at all. Yet we are supposed to accept this as normal capitalism at work for the good of the United States. This is far from normal, it is abhorrent to the senses and it is too bad we do not have a Theodore Roosevelt to do something about it. Well, here's FDR's Grandfather's take on how to treat the Chinese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/15/business/china-factory-jobs/index.html?iref=obnetwork Looks like the evil free market might be doing OK by the Chinese. Big question is whether or not they can sustain growth now that social reforms and wage growth means they are no longer the cheapest pool of labor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/15/business/china-factory-jobs/index.html?iref=obnetwork Looks like the evil free market might be doing OK by the Chinese. Big question is whether or not they can sustain growth now that social reforms and wage growth means they are no longer the cheapest pool of labor. There's still India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Too bad NPR didn't go through research fact-checking before they aired the episode: Oh, never mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Too bad NPR didn't go through research fact-checking before they aired the episode: Oh, never mind Wow. That is truly amazing. I'm sure nothing will happen to NPR, of course, but if I were Apple, I'd sue the ever living crap out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Too bad NPR didn't go through research fact-checking before they aired the episode: Oh, never mind Well, devoting an entire hour to the retraction for what was a 39-minute piece is MUCH more than one can say for so many other outfits that print/air material that is inaccurate or outright false. Case in point: the 1% tip story on the restaurant bill with 'Get a real job' written on it. Three days later, the restaurant confirmed that it was a fake bill and that this didn't happen. It was a story fabricated by the "Occupy Movement" run without any names, interviews or corroboration... that any credible news organization shouldn't have run, and wouldn't have run if it were many other topics. But tellingly about the state of the media, so many did. And then, by the time it was revealed to be a hoax, there was nary a correction to be seen. And so, PR / operations hacks are further bolstered that they can inflict their message with that initial item, almost without consequence because that first piece is what people will remember. As Mark Twain wrote, "A lie can travel halfway 'round the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes." Have to give TAL some credit for bending over backwards to provide a correction and not remaining quiet that they were duped, as far too many outlets will do these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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