Mark Vader Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I'm very underwhelmed by this year's potential class, lots of good names there, but very few great. I would only put Haley and (I guess) Parcells above Andre, and then there is a pretty big gap. So, I think this is his year. I think there are more than three people who are deserving to be in the Hall. Andre Reed should be in. His importance to the Bills offense is udeniable. Bill Parcells is a no brainer, although his stints with the Jets & Cowboys do not exactly help him. Tim Brown deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He always shined and carried the offense for a Raiders franchise that for the most part was poor-to-average during his time there. Aeneas Williams in my opinion is another no brainer. He was one of the best CB's I have ever seen. He was even better than Deion IMO. Just ask Michael Irvin what it was like to play against him. People don't remember him because he played for the Cardinals. Charles Haley was a difference maker and he deserves to be recognized. The character issues are what's keeping him out. Ed Debartolo, Jr. did a lot for the 49'ers organization and brought that franchise out of obscurity. The riverboat scandal looms large though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I love Andre's game--but Tim Brown was a better football player...and Chris Carter was at least as good.Doleman,Haley,Dawson,Bettis,Roaf look pretty solid. Just not sure there are enough spots for Andre. Parcells--most overrated coach of the modern era.Has done very little without Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gale Gilbert Posted January 8, 2012 Share Posted January 8, 2012 I definitely believe that he belongs in the HOF. My only concern is that if he makes it this year, then what will Bills fans look forward to, discuss, and debate during next year's playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Here are this year's HOF Finalists: The Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee’s 17 finalists (15 modern-era and two senior nominees*) with their positions, teams, and years active follow: See detailed capsule bios on the 17 Finalists>>> Jerome Bettis – Running Back – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers Tim Brown – Wide Receiver/Kick Returner – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jack Butler* – Cornerback – 1951-59 Pittsburgh Steelers Cris Carter – Wide Receiver – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins Dermontti Dawson – Center – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers Edward DeBartolo, Jr. – Owner – 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers Chris Doleman – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers Kevin Greene – Linebacker/Defensive End – 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers Charles Haley – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys Cortez Kennedy – Defensive Tackle – 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks Curtis Martin – Running Back – 1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets Bill Parcells – Coach – 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-96 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys Andre Reed – Wide Receiver – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins Willie Roaf – Tackle – 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs Will Shields – Guard – 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs Dick Stanfel* – Guard – 1952-55 Detroit Lions, 1956-58 Washington Redskins Aeneas Williams – Cornerback/Safety – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams I think going in with Tim Brown and Chris Carter may work against him even though he's just as good as those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNeedaQBin2012 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I'm very underwhelmed by this year's potential class, lots of good names there, but very few great. I would only put Haley and (I guess) Parcells above Andre, and then there is a pretty big gap. So, I think this is his year. Cris Carter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Cris Carter? Not worthy. Scared no one on D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Here are this year's HOF Finalists: The Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee’s 17 finalists (15 modern-era and two senior nominees*) with their positions, teams, and years active follow: See detailed capsule bios on the 17 Finalists>>> Jerome Bettis – Running Back – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers Tim Brown – Wide Receiver/Kick Returner – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jack Butler* – Cornerback – 1951-59 Pittsburgh Steelers Cris Carter – Wide Receiver – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins Dermontti Dawson – Center – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers Edward DeBartolo, Jr. – Owner – 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers Chris Doleman – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers Kevin Greene – Linebacker/Defensive End – 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers Charles Haley – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys Cortez Kennedy – Defensive Tackle – 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks Curtis Martin – Running Back – 1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets Bill Parcells – Coach – 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-96 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys Andre Reed – Wide Receiver – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins Willie Roaf – Tackle – 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs Will Shields – Guard – 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs Dick Stanfel* – Guard – 1952-55 Detroit Lions, 1956-58 Washington Redskins Aeneas Williams – Cornerback/Safety – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams This may be Reed's best and last shot. This list has no slam dunks. Remember the committee doesn't like coaches that might go back and coach someday. They may make Parcells wait anohter year to make sure he doesn't go back to being a GM. Bettis probably makes it along with Dawson. The rest are toss up like Reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 Not worthy. Scared no one on D. He sure scored a gang load of TDs though. Way more than Andre, and his other stats are better as well. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 He sure scored a gang load of TDs though. Way more than Andre, and his other stats are better as well. Just sayin'. Weren't Andre's better than Micheal Irving's? I always saw him as a better player not sure sats wise though. Carter, Bettis, Martin, Roaf...and the owner of the 9ers, tough but I hope this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 I don't think Andre will ever get in. He only had a brief window (90-92) where he was arguably the second best wideout in the game. He put up some decent numbers after that, but would anyone here really consider him to be great, say, after the second Super Bowl loss? I was there in person for every game from 1987-96, and at his peak he was a HOF caliber player...problem is his peak just didn't last long enough to make him a real worthy HOF member in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 9, 2012 Share Posted January 9, 2012 (edited) I love Andre's game--but Tim Brown was a better football player...and Chris Carter was at least as good.Doleman,Haley,Dawson,Bettis,Roaf look pretty solid. Just not sure there are enough spots for Andre. Parcells--most overrated coach of the modern era.Has done very little without Belichick. Um, Parcells *hired* Belichick, and building a good staff is a core task for all head coaches. I guess he gets no credit for that? As for Andre, I thought he was a very good player, but to my eyes he was nowhere near as good in his prime as Michael Irvin was in his prime. Tim Brown dropped way too many passes, and moreover he was also only very good. Carter was the best of the lot (he had seasons where he truly excelled), so of the three I think he's the most likely to get in. I'd have to go back and look, but I don't remember Curtis Martin being close to the best running back in any given year, seems to me there were always several others who were better. Very good player, but great, I'm not sure about that. In 2004, his second last year, he led the league with 1700 rushing yards and dragged that team into the playoffs (over Bledsoe's dead body). He was definitely the best in the league that year. He was remarkably consistent. I think he gets in. He ended up fourth all time, and no one is going to leapfrog him any time soon (assuming Tomlinson retires). http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_yds_career.htm Note that McGahee is now 49th all time. That's pretty solid production for the 23rd pick overall. Edited January 9, 2012 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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