AReed Deep For 7 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 225x 24 reps at the combine is not very impressive for a DT. I know its not the only thing you look at but you have to be concerned when the dude weighs over 300 lbs is going up against multiple blockers and has a pretty weak effort here. I just dont want to see the guy getting pushed around like a ragdoll, especially in a 3-4 where alot more would be asked of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 the only concern i have of Dareus is will he still be there when we pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art in PNS Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 the only concern i have of Dareus is will he still be there when we pick. I second that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 'Bama fans seem to think he is going to be a bust because of a lack of effort. They say he took plays off. Atleast the half a dozen or so I spoke with when I was down in 'Bama country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 'Bama fans seem to think he is going to be a bust because of a lack of effort. They say he took plays off. Atleast the half a dozen or so I spoke with when I was down in 'Bama country. Yesterday, I posted a youtube clip of his LSU game this year and he literally did nothing in that game. Not only didn't he look like a #3 pick, he didn't look like a first rounder. He looked slow, lumbering and did not attack the ball carrier. Dareus has officially become the most overrated player in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 There is a big misconception about the bench test being indicative of functional strength. The 225lb bench press is not a test of strength for lineman, it's really a test of muscular endurance. 225lbs is just not a lot of weight for players over 270lbs. For lineman, lifting 315lbs would be better test for strength. I'd be willing to gamble the guy who had the most reps at the combine would not have the highest 1-rep max bench of all the attendees. Back before the NFL Combine was all the rage, I witnessed a bench press challenge between 2 of my college friends, to see who could bench 225lbs the most times. One guy was a monster powerlifter who was pretty pudgy & could bench press over 450lbs, the other guy was just a regular muscular dude in good all-around shape who could max 350ish. Everybody assumed the bigger & stronger guy would win and laughed at the challenge. The big strong powerlifter only got it about 20x, while the other guy was around 25x. Obviously the guy who can bench press 450lbs was stronger, but his lifting endurance was sub-par. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Yesterday, I posted a youtube clip of his LSU game this year and he literally did nothing in that game. Not only didn't he look like a #3 pick, he didn't look like a first rounder. He looked slow, lumbering and did not attack the ball carrier. Dareus has officially become the most overrated player in this draft. I share your concerns and I don't know if Dareus will be good or not. I don't know if ANY rookie will pan out until after a couple/three seasons to better assess him. But I do know that I can isolate game tape of any player and find plays where he was beaten, let alone didn't dominate. Bruce took lots of plays off at VA Tech, for example. But I can find many other plays where he totally destroyed his man. There's enough tape of Dareus dominating to have several experts rank him at or near the top of the draft. I haven't seen any reports that suggest he's over-rated. That said, you have just as good a chance as being right about that at this point. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 the only concern i have of Dareus is will he still be there when we pick. x3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I share your concerns and I don't know if Dareus will be good or not. I don't know if ANY rookie will pan out until after a couple/three seasons to better assess him. But I do know that I can isolate game tape of any player and find plays where he was beaten, let alone didn't dominate. Bruce took lots of plays off at VA Tech, for example. But I can find many other plays where he totally destroyed his man. There's enough tape of Dareus dominating to have several experts rank him at or near the top of the draft. I haven't seen any reports that suggest he's over-rated. That said, you have just as good a chance as being right about that at this point. GO BILLS!!! Well, NFP has him ranked 14th... http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/scouting_department.html I keep feeling that Dareus is being falsely sold as some kind of a huge difference maker, when reality is that he isn't going to be that. He'll probably end up being a very good gap filler. As much as we need gap filling on defense, that's not good value for the #3 pick IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Well, NFP has him ranked 14th... http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/scouting_department.html I keep feeling that Dareus is being falsely sold as some kind of a huge difference maker, when reality is that he isn't going to be that. He'll probably end up being a very good gap filler. As much as we need gap filling on defense, that's not good value for the #3 pick IMO. Does that make Dareus "over" rated by the experts that have him higher or "under" rated by this particular evaluator? I couldn't agree more with your idea of "gap" filler. We need a star in the making with that pick, no doubt. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djrocks Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 225x 24 reps at the combine is not very impressive for a DT. I know its not the only thing you look at but you have to be concerned when the dude weighs over 300 lbs is going up against multiple blockers and has a pretty weak effort here. I just dont want to see the guy getting pushed around like a ragdoll, especially in a 3-4 where alot more would be asked of him. watched him play a lot and it always seemed that he was doing all the pushing around. however unfortunately i dont think he will be there for us anyway.if he somehow gets by carolina he will never get by denver especially with bowers getting hurt. i definatly feel that he would be our pick if he was somehow available but we wont be so lucky. he is mayock's #1 player in the draft and is #1 overall on most boards in the NFL IMO. Yesterday, I posted a youtube clip of his LSU game this year and he literally did nothing in that game. Not only didn't he look like a #3 pick, he didn't look like a first rounder. He looked slow, lumbering and did not attack the ball carrier. Dareus has officially become the most overrated player in this draft. thank God you are not buddy nix because every scout and GM in the NFL would call your comments insane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 (edited) thank God you are not buddy nix because every scout and GM in the NFL would call your comments insane! That's the thing, we have no idea what the NFL teams think of this guy. It seems that every draft the "experts" like Mayock and Kiper get thrown some big curve balls during the draft. Have you ever seen Dareus being interviewed? It's not pretty. Those are things that will drop a player, especially one who's stats are less than stellar. The Bills probably are looking for someone at #3 who's great, impactful, a leader type and one who has a high level of intelligence. Edited March 15, 2011 by 1billsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 We don't need the best Dlineman, we need the best pass rusher. If Dareus can't do that, then screw him. We already have Troupe to be a space filler type. I'd rather go with Bowers if he's still there, otherwise I'd look at Fairly or Quinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 The Bills probably are looking for someone at #3 who's great, impactful, a leader type and one who has a high level of intelligence. Don't over think things. Nix is looking for guys who can play. The intelligence they need is on the field. Dareus might just be the pick. But I tend to think Miller, Peterson or Newton will be the guy because they have more elite potential. Dareus is the "safer" pick. At #3 I want potential greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sllib olaffub Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Don't over think things. Nix is looking for guys who can play. The intelligence they need is on the field. Dareus might just be the pick. But I tend to think Miller, Peterson or Newton will be the guy because they have more elite potential. Dareus is the "safer" pick. At #3 I want potential greatness. I totally agree about greatness. We have guys on the D-line and even as LB's who are capable and can make plays. Carrington and K. Williams on the D-line will make plays, and you know Williams is going to be fighting each and every play - but, imagine how much better they'd be if there were a real monster DE opposite them, who was demanding half the line's attention? They'd both be that much better. Same goes with our linebackers. I think we can do with competent ILB's who have enough speed to cover (I'm hoping for Wilson in the second round), but if we had an OLB who could shut down one side of the field, then those types just multiply the talents of everyone around them. If I'm picking at #3 overall, I'm not looking for safe, I'm looking for an all-pro game changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Yesterday, I posted a youtube clip of his LSU game this year and he literally did nothing in that game. Not only didn't he look like a #3 pick, he didn't look like a first rounder. He looked slow, lumbering and did not attack the ball carrier. Dareus has officially become the most overrated player in this draft. Did you watch Youtube clips before coming to the conclusion that Robert Quinn was going to be an All Pro player in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Did you watch Youtube clips before coming to the conclusion that Robert Quinn was going to be an All Pro player in the NFL? I think that Quinn has that kind of potential. I don't think that Dareus does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I think that Quinn has that kind of potential. I don't think that Dareus does. Reasons why Quinn does and Dareus doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Reasons why Quinn does and Dareus doesn't? Depending on what comes of everything, Quinn might be a once in a generation talent. I'm not saying he is, but he might be. That size coupled with the speed that is rumored but not shown at the combine. If he has the speed and strength, the work ethic that it takes to come back from a brain tumor- the leverage of a 3x state champion wrestler... He might have that all time great upside. I kind of group cam and Quinn together as huge potential but huge question marks that I'm glad I don't have to decide on. Dareus is #1 for me on the normal player rankings while those two I don't pretend to rate somewhere right now...If you say yes on that potential they are 1-2, if you say maybe or no.... I don't touch them with a 10 ft pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Depending on what comes of everything, Quinn might be a once in a generation talent. I'm not saying he is, but he might be. That size coupled with the speed that is rumored but not shown at the combine. If he has the speed and strength, the work ethic that it takes to come back from a brain tumor- the leverage of a 3x state champion wrestler... He might have that all time great upside. I kind of group cam and Quinn together as huge potential but huge question marks that I'm glad I don't have to decide on. Dareus is #1 for me on the normal player rankings while those two I don't pretend to rate somewhere right now [/font]...If you say yes on that potential they are 1-2, if you say maybe or no.... I don't touch them with a 10 ft pole. Your assessment very much follows somewhat Mayak's ranking of players. Dareus is in his #1 spot. Subject to change of course. My leanings with our pick are Gabbert/Newton. More and more I get the sense that Gailey wants Newton. Just my intuition kicking in. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81eb95ea/Mayock-s-Top-16-prospects?module=HP_cp2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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