shoveldog Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 There is a reason why there are only 1-2 great QBs in the NFL. By nature they are rare. I read posts that we have to get a franchise QB like it's something you get at Wal-Mart, like no other team in the NFL tries to find one? And nothing is guaranteed with Luck or Cam Newton. So when you have a very good QB like Fitz you don't toss him hoping to get lucky. Every NFL QB has some flaws in their game. PTR Seriously? You bring rational thought to this conversation? Some Bills fan you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 If the Bills can find a big rock solid TE, we may already have the pieces in place on offense (crossing fingers on offensive line). The only thing left would be adding a few monster defenders through the upcoming drafts and free agency. I see this team as much closer to the big game than anyone here may think. I think that Fitzpatrick and the Bills finish off this season right by beating the fins, beating the pats and beating the jets. Yes I said it, they're going to beat the pats. You watch. You see, this is what the Bills have done for the better part of 15 years, and it resulted in losing football games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Brady and Peyton are clearly great qbs. Brees, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Vick, Matt Ryan are upper tier qbs. An argument can be made that Brees is in the same class or near the class of Peyton and Brady. Shaub and Eli Manning are a cut below the upper class but they are also productive qbs. There is no surprise that the above listed qbs with the exception of Shaub lead consistent playoff contending teams. With the exception of Shaub and Brady all the other qbs were taken very high in the draft. If you have an opportunity to get a qb such as Luck you would be foolish not to take him, even with Fitz on your roster. With respect to Newton he is a rawer talent who would need to learn from a smart and solid player such as Fitz. As of today, Schaub is the 13th ranked QB, Eli Manning the 18th ranked, and Fitzpatrick the 19th ranked. Here are some relevant stats Schaub 20 TD 10 Int 7.5 Yds/Attempt 90.5 Rating E. Manning 24 TD 19 Int 7.2 Yds/attempt 86.1 Rating Fitzpatrick 21 TD 11 Int 6.7 Yds/Attempt 85.0 Rating If as you say a team can contend (or even win a Super Bowl, over the undefeated Patriots, in perhaps the greatest upset in SB history, as E. Manning's team did) with Scahub or Manning at QB (both of them on much more talented teams than the Bills) then I think Fitzpatrick can do as well, if the Bills improve in other areas. I think the Bills would be better served, and see the playoffs sooner, if they draft an OT, DT, DE, or LB in the first instead of a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Drafting Newton over a stud defensive play maker would be the dumbest mover ever made by this franchise, and that's saying something. We'll see... Defensive Stud huh? Like Tyson Jackson or Aaron Curry? The 1st 2 Defensive Players taken in the 2009 Draft...There's no guarantees on that side of the field either...A guy like Suh is about as rare as a Franchise QB... This type of future seeing is impossible...I'd rather most of you just be honest, profess your love for all things Fitzpatrick, and just admit you want to put the future of this Franchise in his hands...Or simply say it's your opinion that Fitz will be a better QB than Newton in the NFL...But "the dumbest move ever?" Really? Have you actually seen Aaron Maybin play Football? Well neither has anyone else truthfully...And we Drafted him at #11 Overall...But Drafting a 6-6 Heisman Trophy winning QB who is about to win the National Championship, had 49 combined Passing, Rushing and Recieving TD's along with 4000 All Purpose Yards in the toughest Conference in College Football would be "the dumbest move ever?" A little premature and dramatic don't you think? I understand the risks with Newton and I'm not even saying The Bills should Draft him...But if they do I won't mind at all...If Gailey can make Fitz look as good as he has I'd LOVE to see what he can do with an athlete like Newton...And we'd still have Fitz for 2011 regardless...I actually feel a bit for Fitz because I don't want to disrespect the guy...He's come a long way...And no question a guy like Newton can crash and burn...But he could also end up being better than anyone can imagine...The buzz and initial excitement Newton would bring to this Franchise would be incredible...And the thought of passing on a Kid like that and seeing him blossom while the Bills struggle for another 10 years has me thinking if that's what Nix and Gailey want to do sobeit...I''m not saying that's what will happen, I'm just saying the thought of it is nauseating...And if they want to build around Fitz I'm fine with that too...As long as Newton falls flat on his face...If The Bills pass on Newton and he becomes a stud it's going to be awfully hard for them to live it down any time soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 (edited) Maybe I'll get torn apart for this, but I think too many people are too quick to provide the caveat, "not a franchise/star/etc." I think he is a good qb right now, and I think he could blossom into a top 5 qb (a rough description of what I consider "franchise"). Is Brady the barometer here? Have you seen his offensive line play? A handful of qbs would look just as dominant with the coaching and line play of new england* - and I'm not taking anything away from Brady, he's an excellent qb. I guess my point is that while fitz may not be elite right now, I think he has that potential. I am very excited to see what an offseason as the entrenched starter (focus of the position coaches, film room, etc) will yield. -Not saying he is elite right now. However it wouldn't surprise me if he became what many consider 'elite.' Edited December 14, 2010 by NickelCity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 We'll see... Defensive Stud huh? Like Tyson Jackson or Aaron Curry? The 1st 2 Defensive Players taken in the 2009 Draft...There's no guarantees on that side of the field either...A guy like Suh is about as rare as a Franchise QB... This type of future seeing is impossible...I'd rather most of you just be honest, profess your love for all things Fitzpatrick, and just admit you want to put the future of this Franchise in his hands...Or simply say it's your opinion that Fitz will be a better QB than Newton in the NFL...But "the dumbest move ever?" Really? Have you actually seen Aaron Maybin play Football? Well neither has anyone else truthfully...And we Drafted him at #11 Overall...But Drafting a 6-6 Heisman Trophy winning QB who is about to win the National Championship, had 49 combined Passing, Rushing and Recieving TD's along with 4000 All Purpose Yards in the toughest Conference in College Football would be "the dumbest move ever?" A little premature and dramatic don't you think? I understand the risks with Newton and I'm not even saying The Bills should Draft him...But if they do I won't mind at all...If Gailey can make Fitz look as good as he has I'd LOVE to see what he can do with an athlete like Newton...And we'd still have Fitz for 2011 regardless...I actually feel a bit for Fitz because I don't want to disrespect the guy...He's come a long way...And no question a guy like Newton can crash and burn...But he could also end up being better than anyone can imagine...The buzz and initial excitement Newton would bring to this Franchise would be incredible...And the thought of passing on a Kid like that and seeing him blossom while the Bills struggle for another 10 years has me thinking if that's what Nix and Gailey want to do sobeit...I''m not saying that's what will happen, I'm just saying the thought of it is nauseating...And if they want to build around Fitz I'm fine with that too...As long as Newton falls flat on his face...If The Bills pass on Newton and he becomes a stud it's going to be awfully hard for them to live it down any time soon... Well stated. I can understand people wanting to go in different directions with respect to the draft. But completely dismissing as being preposterous the proposition that the Bills should pursue a highly rated qb prospect makes no sense. The Bills are a very staid and backwater franchise. That is why their record is what it has been for almost a generation. I can somewhat understand the infatuation with Fitz and his compelling storyline. A Harvard grad and a nice person who has finally performed at an adequate level for a qb starved franchise. It is similar to the Flutie affect i.e. being cute with average success. What the fans don't understand is that Fitz is an average talented qb who has a lot of moxie. That is not ever going to elevate this franchise to a level of competing for something worth competing for. Some people are satisfied with striving to be average. Not I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showmeSP Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 I want so bad to believe that Fitz is the answer for this team. It's no secret that he's an excellent leader, and you can tell that the rest of the players respect him both on and off the field. He also has the ability to be productive when it counts, and bounce back from interceptions and bad plays. Plus he's just a genuinely likeable guy, you want him to succeed when you see him play and you feel for the guy during press conferences after a loss. He really cares and he'll fight until the last minute of the game. However, no matter how much I want it, I just don't see him taking this team out of a decade long slump. I do think we could be a playoff team with Fitz at the helm, but not a true superbowl contender. He just makes too many mistakes, and when you are playing a superbowl-caliber team those mistakes mean lost games in the playoffs. I really think we need a true franchise quarterback in order to go all the way. I mean, that is the goal right? If Fitz proves me wrong, I'll be downright happy about it. But for the first time in a while we may be in a position to draft a potentially great quarterback. If the opportunity is there, you can't pass it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 But for the first time in a while we may be in a position to draft a potentially great quarterback. If Luck is there, I'm behind taking him. Other than him, I wouldn't take another QB until the mid-rounds, it just doesn't make sense with the team we have right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 I just want it to be Nix who makes the decision, not Ralph and his cronies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 When was the last time fitz threw an interception that was his fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasincars Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 now if only the coaching staff and front office would listen to US. Do the right thing Chan, you know that you have the future QB use him and make us the fans happy. Hwy do the Bills play harder? simple they believe in Fitz and he is a leader. oh yeah its nice to see the possitiveness out of the fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 When was the last time fitz threw an interception that was his fault? Bears game when he underthrew Steve Johnson. Would have won the game if he made that throw. HK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Bears game when he underthrew Steve Johnson. Would have won the game if he made that throw. HK Probley but that is a long stretch. My point was he isnt making mistakes anymore Just realized he had two against cinci...both not so good But we won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Drafting Newton over a stud defensive play maker would be the dumbest mover ever made by this franchise, and that's saying something. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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