Donald Jones

[Webster Guy]

Lets add Jones to the list of receivers on the roster who make a larger impact than Lee Evans.

 

And don't give me that he takes away the coverage from the other receivers junk--I believe that if defenses begin to roll coverage towards Stevie Johnson more often, Johnson will still end up with more catches in a game than Evans.

 

Like Gailey said, Johnson has the ability to find a way to get open--its time for Evans to show us a little bit of that, IMO.

 

Evans should be flourishing in Chan Gailey's offensive system just like every other receiver on the roster is flourishing.

 

I'm not suggesting the Bills get rid of Evans, I just want to see him produce at the level he should be.

You're saying Lee Evans doesn't get open and everyone else does? Don't get carried away. If a team is playing man coverage on us, he still is the best option. He's not as strong at YAC but as far as getting separation and making the catch he's still one of the best in the league. I love the new guys too, but Lee is still the king in my book.

[John from Riverside]

This is not meant to hijack the Donald Jones love.....which is def earned.....

 

But hmmmmmm all these no name guys contributing on offense......what is the common denominator?

 

Thats right.....

 

Ryan Fitzpatrick

[Kelly the Dog]

Got me thinking on that one.

 

I don't know what Hardy's salary was, but as a high 2nd rounder, I gotta think at least 3 million each year, right?

 

10 receptions at that salary comes out to $600,000 per catch.

 

So, for the average shmoe making $50k per year, it would take him 12 years to equal the earnings from a single James Hardy reception. That's 12 years of stress from a-hole clients, a-hole co-workers, a-hole bosses, thousands of semi coherent emails, half of which are nothing more than cya CC emails, BS phone calls, traffic jams, crappy hotels, diversity seminars, etc. 12 friggin years of those headaches for the same $ Hardy earned from catching a single pass.

 

There is no god.

A guy in the second round like Hardy makes a little over 1 million a year. I think the guy that was #41 like Hardy was the next year signed a 4 year deal worth 4.13 mil.

 

But all draft picks are a crap shoot. We're unlucky (or terrible) for picking Hardy in the 2nd round but we're super lucky (or geniuses) for picking Johnson in the 7th the same year. Overall, to get a guy producing at the level SJ is now we did great in that draft at WR. One strike out, one homerun.

[Coach Tuesday]

A guy in the second round like Hardy makes a little over 1 million a year. I think the guy that was #41 like Hardy was the next year signed a 4 year deal worth 4.13 mil.

 

But all draft picks are a crap shoot. We're unlucky (or terrible) for picking Hardy in the 2nd round but we're super lucky (or geniuses) for picking Johnson in the 7th the same year. Overall, to get a guy producing at the level SJ is now we did great in that draft at WR. One strike out, one homerun.

 

TMQ (who I rarely read any more) wrote an article this week about how with WRs, success is all about effort and dedication - more so than with other positions. I think he may be right about that. Hardy had all of the measurables and did have a productive college career (esp. his last season). I don't fault the Bills for drafting him. His failure to develop seems to be squarely his own fault - lack of effort in the film room and failure to study the playbook and learn all of the route trees. It's a shame because there is no reason why he couldn't be successful in this League. Perhaps like Mike Williams he re-dedicates himself to the craft and makes a comeback.

[The Big Cat]

TMQ (who I rarely read any more) wrote an article this week about how with WRs, success is all about effort and dedication - more so than with other positions. I think he may be right about that. Hardy had all of the measurables and did have a productive college career (esp. his last season). I don't fault the Bills for drafting him. His failure to develop seems to be squarely his own fault - lack of effort in the film room and failure to study the playbook and learn all of the route trees. It's a shame because there is no reason why he couldn't be successful in this League. Perhaps like Mike Williams he re-dedicates himself to the craft and makes a comeback.

 

That's one hell of an accusation. I hesitate to call it baseless, but alas.

 

Strong words, dude.

[Coach Tuesday]

That's one hell of an accusation. I hesitate to call it baseless, but alas.

 

Strong words, dude.

 

In fact the TMQ article went even further, mentioning that Hardy spent his practice time complaining about his lack of involvement in the offense. Hadn't seen that in print before and I wonder if that was pure speculation on his part, or if Ralph passed that info along (Easterbrook was a recent guest of Ralph at The Ralph).

[Red]

Lets add Jones to the list of receivers on the roster who make a larger impact than Lee Evans.

 

And don't give me that he takes away the coverage from the other receivers junk--I believe that if defenses begin to roll coverage towards Stevie Johnson more often, Johnson will still end up with more catches in a game than Evans.

 

Like Gailey said, Johnson has the ability to find a way to get open--its time for Evans to show us a little bit of that, IMO.

 

Evans should be flourishing in Chan Gailey's offensive system just like every other receiver on the roster is flourishing.

 

I'm not suggesting the Bills get rid of Evans, I just want to see him produce at the level he should be.

 

I sadly agree with you.

 

We constantly hear about Evans being this fantastic receiver, how he draws double teams and defenses "roll" their coverages over to him to stop him.

 

Enough, already!

 

He's much too expensive if all he is a guy who demands double teams.

 

Not to get into this argument again, but true #1 receivers fight through this kind of thing and remain competitive. Evans goes through entire stretches of the season where he is insignificant. Not seen or heard from. Pedestrian.

 

This is NOT to say that I don't like Evans, or want to get rid of him. I believe that he is truly talented. But he runs 2-3 routes. His career has been made on 2-3 pass routes. We need more out of guy that is supposed to be our #1 and is being paid like a true #1 (i.e.: Steve Johnson should not be kicking his butt).

[Ramius]

Got me thinking on that one.

 

I don't know what Hardy's salary was, but as a high 2nd rounder, I gotta think at least 3 million each year, right?

 

10 receptions at that salary comes out to $600,000 per catch.

 

So, for the average shmoe making $50k per year, it would take him 12 years to equal the

earnings from a single James Hardy reception. That's 12 years of stress from a-hole

clients, a-hole co-workers, a-hole bosses, thousands of semi coherent emails, half of which are nothing more than cya CC emails, BS phone calls, traffic jams, crappy hotels, diversity

seminars, etc. 12 friggin years of those headaches for the same $$ Hardy earned from

catching a single pass.

 

There is no god.

 

Not even close. Jairus Byrd signed a 4 year 4 million deal. Hardy probably had a similar deal. Hardy was a waste but at least try to get the facts right.

[Doc]

Hardy made $3M in his 2 years with the Bills, with ~half of that being his signing bonus.

[The Big Cat]

In fact the TMQ article went even further, mentioning that Hardy spent his practice time complaining about his lack of involvement in the offense. Hadn't seen that in print before and I wonder if that was pure speculation on his part, or if Ralph passed that info along (Easterbrook was a recent guest of Ralph at The Ralph).

 

Didn't realize you were pulling that from an "article." You got a link?

[808]

maybe just maybe. when lee does get that route and hes open fitz scans and sees johnson standing there by himself and fitz just goes to the higher percentage pass. if one guy has single covg and is 30 yards down field and another is 25 yards out and is wide open. would you not take the wide open?

 

idk just saying