Canadian Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Maybe its because I am biased but I think Jim Kelly should be on the list. I think they are at 20 now and both Marino and Elway have been listed so I know they wont put Kelly ahead of them. Should he be considered one of the NFL's top 100 players of all time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 (edited) Maybe its because I am biased but I think Jim Kelly should be on the list. I think they are at 20 now and both Marino and Elway have been listed so I know they wont put Kelly ahead of them. Should he be considered one of the NFL's top 100 players of all time? I dont know, one could probably make an argument either way. Think about it this way...out of 100 players, they have to consider every position in the NFL. Think of how many positions there are and how many great players have played those positions. QB, RB, FB, WR, TE, LG, RG, C, LT, RT, RDE, LDE, NT, DT, MLB, ROLB, LOLB, RDB, LDB, FS, SS, KR, PR, P, K, ST Thats 26 different positions, which would avg out to about the 4 best of each position in the top 100. You and I know thats not the case though as you wont see the 4th best punter in league history on that list, or maybe any punter for that matter. But there are still 18 to 20 positions that will have players on that list making it about an avg of top 5 per position. Some positions will have a few more, some a few less, but that still doesnt leave room for many at each position. Kelly is definitely not a top 5 QB all time, and many can argue not even top 10 with never winning the big game. So with all the other talent in the NFLs history at so many positions, it would be hard to crack the top 100 without being in the top 5 to 7 at your own respected position. I personally probably would put him in the top 100, but based on what I said above I wouldnt have any problem with someone leaving him off. I would assume Bruce, Thurman and Reed are in the top 100... Edited October 28, 2010 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. ChumChums Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 So far, they're up to #21 (Tom Brady, btw). Bruce was #31, and OJ was #40, to throw things in perspective. I don't think we'll be seeing anyone else getting onto this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Billy Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 They're not going to put specialized positions like kick and punt returners on the list. If someone -happens- to also be a returner, that may help their ranking. But they won't list players who -only- played special teams or list them solely on their return abilities. I could be wrong, but a sane and just universe wouldn't allow it. Heck, if you're going to differentiate between left/right defensive back, and right/left outside linebacker, you should include long snappers and the second inside linebacker for 3-4 defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 I don't understand why Marino was better than Kelly in many people's eyes. Sure he threw for more yards, but Marino never won the big one either and Kelly's Bills owned Marino's Dolphins, especially in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 I don't understand why Marino was better than Kelly in many people's eyes. Sure he threw for more yards, but Marino never won the big one either and Kelly's Bills owned Marino's Dolphins, especially in the playoffs. Kelly's Bills were a much much better team than Marino's Dolphins, it wasn't merely the Kelly vs. Marino matchup that decided those games (although I'd still take Kelly over Marino anyday). I'd wager that whether or not Jimbo was better than Dan was considered secondarily to the overall strength of the teams for which they played, not to mention the gaudy statistics Marino had. It's strange that both Jim Kelly & Thurman Thomas are left out of the Top 100---- Thomas was certainly a better RB and all-around NFL player than Tony Dorsett who has already appeared on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 They're not going to put specialized positions like kick and punt returners on the list. If someone -happens- to also be a returner, that may help their ranking. But they won't list players who -only- played special teams or list them solely on their return abilities. I could be wrong, but a sane and just universe wouldn't allow it. Heck, if you're going to differentiate between left/right defensive back, and right/left outside linebacker, you should include long snappers and the second inside linebacker for 3-4 defenses. You should read my whole post because you will see that I said that very thing...not all 26 positions will make that list but still 18 to 20 of those positions will have players that should be on that list. And yes, you have to talk about each individual spot like a ROLB and a LOLB because every position is an individual position with an individual playing each position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmjoyce113 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Kurt Warner was 80. I think Kelly should be in front of Warner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Kurt Warner was 80. I think Kelly should be in front of Warner. How could Warner be ahead pf Jimbo?? WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 How could Warner be ahead pf Jimbo?? WTF? I see them both at the same level for different reasons. Jim was such a consistently tough QB and performer, while Kurt was a very dynamic QB who brought two long losing franchises to the Superbowl and winning one with the Rams. To me, both careers balance each others out and both should be in the 80-100 range of the top 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 (edited) How could Warner be ahead pf Jimbo?? WTF? It's called a SB win and being one of the most prolific QB's in the playoffs and Super Bowls of all time...Nothing against Kelly, buy most will give the edge to Kurt because of this...not to mention he turned around 2 of the worst teams in the league and took them to the SB Edited October 28, 2010 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 How could Warner be ahead pf Jimbo?? WTF? I think (could be off on this) that Warner has the three highest passing yd games in SB history. He took 2 different teams to the SB and won one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. ChumChums Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Anyone think Steve Tasker might get on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 No Fitz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinegun12 Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Maybe its because I am biased but I think Jim Kelly should be on the list. I think they are at 20 now and both Marino and Elway have been listed so I know they wont put Kelly ahead of them. Should he be considered one of the NFL's top 100 players of all time? I believe Kelly not being on this top 100 list has to do with the fact that he had a great RB and WR and very solid OL blocking for him. Marino had the "Marks brothers" who were good but definitely not hall of famers and NEVER had a great RB behind him. Elway never had great recievers or RB until late in his career (Terrell Davis) which coincidentally finally gave Elway his elusive SB titles. Those 2 guys put up very gaudy numbers while playing with very mediocre talent around them. Jimbo had an abundance of talent and not nearly the numbers that Marino and Elway did. Who's to say how Kelly would have played with a team that didn't have the weapons the Bills had. I personally take Jimbo every day of the week, but I grew up loving him and that Bills team, so my opinion is soaked in utter bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 So far, they're up to #21 (Tom Brady, btw). Bruce was #31, and OJ was #40, to throw things in perspective. I don't think we'll be seeing anyone else getting onto this list. Lofton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 The top ten, in my opinion should include Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, Otto Graham, Sammy Baugh, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Reggie White, Ronnie Lott, Johnny Unitas and someone else..Jim Kelly isn't in that class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 No Fitz? Not yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Hansen Forever Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Anyone think Steve Tasker might get on? I was wondering the same thing. If anyone from ST makes it, it should be Steve...although not for his announcing skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kkspike Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 Greatest special team player ever?this guy made every tackle on punts by diving in onto if the pile after the play was over. He is know as the greatest if all time and will be in the hall of fame.his name bill master bates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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