Big Turk Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) Hey, I understand the run D sucked last year, although it is sucking worse this year. However, Edwards has taken a top 5 pass defense in every category(mostly top 3), and turned it into a pass defense where they aren't even in the picture half the time when the WR catches the ball. WTF kind of scheme is he running? That is the biggest indictment you can have...to take something that is really good the prior year with the same players and turn it into something really bad. Dude needs to go, and hopefully it will be sooner rather than later. He has no answers for anything the opposing team is doing, makes no adjustments, and is too passive... Edited October 12, 2010 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 There is absolutely no creativity whatsoever. Four rushers, nobody can come within 5 yards of the QB. Our DBs are good and since we have no pressure why not blitz and leave them 1 on 1? What do we have to lose. The one time we did blitz it was a sack yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 There is absolutely no creativity whatsoever. Four rushers, nobody can come within 5 yards of the QB. Our DBs are good and since we have no pressure why not blitz and leave them 1 on 1? What do we have to lose. The one time we did blitz it was a sack yesterday In typical Bills fashion...find what works and then never do it again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Ya know what, he is "part" of the problem. When he was hired everyone knew he was an assistant LB coach from the Dolphins, not a real glowing endorsement My take is the guy came cheap and that was fine with the owner. Hiring an experienced veteran NFL coordinator would cost more money then then this owner wants to spend, if you hadn't noticed just about every Dick Jauron assistant hire,really wasn't a hire, the Bills promoted from within the org. O line coach, OC, OC, QB coach. We all knew that there would be a steep learning curve for both the coaches and players on both sides of the ball as most were hired from the college ranks and have no practical NFL experience, its what happens when you have a HC that hires inexperienced assistants On another note, the defense wouldn't look as horrible as it does if the offensive team would stop trying to air the ball out every play, 3 downs and out. punt punt punt, I swear the Bills are in constant shotgun. "IF" the Bills could establish a decent running game and play keep away from the opponents like the Ravens, Jets and Titans. That way the defense would be not worn down during a game and actually have a chance to remain fresh the entire game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 What is happening is nobody is challenging our secondary. WRs are not getting open. So teams are sending the WRs out then floating in a TE who our LBs can't cover, or they run. We are not getting killed with plays to the WRs, we are getting killed by TEs and RBs because our LBs S-U-C-K. They are being exploited every game. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmike Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 What is happening is nobody is challenging our secondary. WRs are not getting open. So teams are sending the WRs out then floating in a TE who our LBs can't cover, or they run. We are not getting killed with plays to the WRs, we are getting killed by TEs and RBs because our LBs S-U-C-K. They are being exploited every game. PTR That's exactly right. It sucks when you know what the opposition is going to do and can't stop it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson from Gamehendge Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Hey, I understand the run D sucked last year, although it is sucking worse this year. However, Edwards has taken a top 5 pass defense in every category(mostly top 3), and turned it into a pass defense where they aren't even in the picture half the time when the WR catches the ball. WTF kind of scheme is he running? That is the biggest indictment you can have...to take something that is really good the prior year with the same players and turn it into something really bad. Dude needs to go, and hopefully it will be sooner rather than later. He has no answers for anything the opposing team is doing, makes no adjustments, and is too passive... I disagree. You cannot expect to overhaul and transform an entire Tampa-2 defense into a 3-4, with no talented personnel for that scheme. Certainly not succesfully in one offseason and 5 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 That's exactly right. It sucks when you know what the opposition is going to do and can't stop it... Listen to the players comments ....we knew what they were going to do...we prepared for exactly what they did......we just getting beat as players losing one on one battles- fellas have you ever played or coached sports - that's not coaching you can't play for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 I see this as a combination of Edwards not doing well and Jauron/Fewell being underestimated as far as their defensive teaching. But I also wonder, what exactly was the point of switching defensive schemes? Was it to expose the players on the defense as weak? It's the coach's job to put his players in a position to do well not put them in schemes where they suck. You switch to a 3-4 when you think you have better 3-4 personnel than 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) The Bills sucked against the run last sesaon too. 156.3 yards per game 4.7 yards per carry and 19 rushing TD's. So far this season 4.8 yards per carry 182.4 yards per game. INT's are down because teams run against the Bills or they over compensate for the run and leave players wide open!!! The Tampa 2 sucked and so does this new 3-4, Maybe it's the players and not the scheme. Where's the beef? Since Buffalo slimmed down on their players it all got worse. Edited October 12, 2010 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 INT's are down because teams run against the Bills or they over compensate for the run and leave players wide open!!! Wrong...this argument is so asinine its ridiculous...when you run the ball well its easier to throw not harder...has the same issues last year, should not be any difference in secondary play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Hey, I understand the run D sucked last year, although it is sucking worse this year. However, Edwards has taken a top 5 pass defense in every category(mostly top 3), and turned it into a pass defense where they aren't even in the picture half the time when the WR catches the ball. WTF kind of scheme is he running? That is the biggest indictment you can have...to take something that is really good the prior year with the same players and turn it into something really bad. Dude needs to go, and hopefully it will be sooner rather than later. He has no answers for anything the opposing team is doing, makes no adjustments, and is too passive... What adjustment would you like them to make? Is Chris Kelsay going to be able to cover anybody? Are the DE going to be able to set the edge? Is Kyle Williams going to get bigger somehow? Is Torber going to morph into an all pro? Last year people were screaming for Fewell to get the axe for a good while. The coach can't make the players do things they are not capable of doing. They need better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 The Bills sucked against the run last sesaon too. 156.3 yards per game 4.7 yards per carry and 19 rushing TD's. So far this season 4.8 yards per carry 182.4 yards per game. INT's are down because teams run against the Bills or they over compensate for the run and leave players wide open!!! The Tampa 2 sucked and so does this new 3-4, Maybe it's the players and not the scheme. Where's the beef? Since Buffalo slimmed down on their players it all got worse. The root cause of the problem is this defense simply has no playmakers. Nobody the offense needs to account for on every play. If you're going up against the Bills defense who are you afraid of? Nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) What adjustment would you like them to make? Is Chris Kelsay going to be able to cover anybody? Are the DE going to be able to set the edge? Is Kyle Williams going to get bigger somehow? Is Torber going to morph into an all pro? Last year people were screaming for Fewell to get the axe for a good while. The coach can't make the players do things they are not capable of doing. They need better players. The pain of transition. Gailey and Edwards want to run a defense that has some sophistication and that they can adapt to take away the strength of the opponent on a weekly basis. They are finding that the last staff coached a dirt simple defensive scheme that allowed them to plug in rookies and street free agents from week to week; so, by keeping it so simple those guys could come in and play fast. The downside of the Jauron approach was that the defense was very static and offenses that could execute were able to exploit it. There is going to be more turnover on defense as they try to find players that can handle and execute the system they want. Edited October 12, 2010 by Sisyphean Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) ya know whats funny and everyone forgets the fact that Perry Fewell actually got these same basic players to play better on defense stopping the run then Jauron ever did. Anyway. seems like some posters here think that the coaching doesn't matter, I say BS. Look at the Steeler's Dick LeBeau,the guy who directs that defense and who is in the HoF from mostly from being the greatest ever DC and runs a 3-4. Dom Capers 3-4 up in Green Bay- Jim Haslett 3-4 in Washington- Mike Nolan 3-4 in Miami- all really good at building a defense. Jim Haslett was hired this year, its coaching, its always coaching. But its also that those coaches have to have enough experience to know the difference between a good player and a bad player. Granted the Bills LB core truly stinks, the FO went into this past draft knowing they needed an OLB or 2, plus a QB-LT-RT-WR and they chose a RB #1 that really hasn't had much impact as a RB, they already had good returner. Last year the team selected an undersized DE with speed at #1 and this guy can't even get on the field he is so bad. Is it any wonder why the Redskins sprinted to the podium with that Brian Orakpo pick right after Buffalo took Maybin Edited October 12, 2010 by Harvey lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 The pain of transition. Gailey and Edwards want to run a defense that has some sophistication and that they can adapt to take away the strength of the opponent on a weekly basis. They are finding that the last staff coached a dirt simple defensive scheme that allowed them to plug in rookies and street free agents from week to week; so, by keeping it so simple those guys could come in and play fast. The downside of the Jauron approach was that the defense was very static and offenses that could execute were able to exploit it. There is going to be more turnover on defense as they try to find players that can handle and execute the system they want. This is a really interesting POV. It's consistent with some tidbits we here like Stroud punching the Gatorade cooler and yelling "does anyone here know what we're doing" or the like. Or doing well in practice - "amateurs practice until they know how to do it right; professionals practice until they can't do it wrong" I forgave the coaches for wanting to evaluate Edwards during a real season game. I'm finding it harder to accept that they couldn't at least try harder to find a better linebacker than... Kelsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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