Trent Edwards vs. Drew Brees

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Logic?!?! Logic?!?! We're lucky if we can string a few words together to form a sentence, and you're talking about LOGIC?!?! If you're going to enter a QB discussion, please follow convention and use the word suck... often. Trent Edwards sucked, Doug Flutie sucked, JP Losman sucked, Drew Bledsoe couldn't do diddly pooh!!! Also, insulting the OP goes a long way toward validating your point. Just trying to help out with a few tips I've learned in my short time here.

my sincerest apologies.

(you suck, by the way ... there, is that better )

 

jw

[Dorkington]

TE would be a decent QB on a good team.

 

He hasn't been on a good team, or with a good coach, so he looks horrible.

 

The majority of QB's in this league would be "good" on "good" teams. There are a few "great" QBs that would be spectacular on any team.

 

Everyone who hates on TE and dreams of other QBs would be severely disappointed when they put up similar numbers because our line sucks, and our WR corps is a bit weak... and up until now we've had bad play calling (we'll see what Chan does).

 

I don't think TE will have a breakout year this year, simply because our OL is incredibly weak, and our offense will probably be focused on playmakers, not deep balls.

[Thurman#1]

Not to make a comparison, but as I said before I was once a big proponent of Edwards and am now under the belief that this is his last chance to make a statement or Brohm's only chance as otherwise we will be getting a new QB in next year's draft. But, back in 04, the Chargers drafted Rivers because they thought Brees was a bust. Could Edwards have a year 4 breakout of epic proportions?

 

Brees

Year W-L Comp% Yds TD-Int Yds/A Rating

2001 0-0 55.6% 221 1-0 8.2 94.8

2002 8-8 60.8% 3284 17-16 6.2 76.9

2003 2-9 57.6% 2108 11-15 5.9 67.5

2004 11-4 65.5% 3159 27-7 7.9 104.8

 

Edwards

Year W-L Comp% Yds TD-Int Yds/A Rating

2007 5-4 56.1% 1630 7-8 6.1 70.4

2008 7-7 65.5% 2699 11-10 6.6 85.4

2009 2-5 60.1% 1169 6-7 5.3 73.8

2010 ????

 

 

 

First, you might want to go back and correct Trent's YPA in your original post. They are slightly higher than you showed. Not high by any means, but a bit higher.

 

Win-loss record is maybe 10 - 15% the result of QB play, yards is often misleading and Rating is a stupid stat. YPA is the best stat unless there are huge numbers of INTs.

 

Completion percentage, yards per attempt and INTs are the keys. Trent has a higher completion percentage, but his YPA shows why ... it's quite low because he was consistently checking down even when he didn't need to. His interception percentage was lower than Brees's through three years.

 

Could Trent's light go on? Yup. Will it? With records like Trent's, a lot more don't turn things around than do.

 

Let's hope.

[Thurman#1]

Why do you feel Brees is "tougher" than Trent?

 

And yes, this question is a trap, I'll be waiting....

 

 

 

If I may step in for him ...

 

Drew Brees has played in:

 

16 games in 2005, but was severely injured in the last game

16 games in 2006

16 games in 2007

16 games in 2008

and 15 games in 2009 because they pulled him the last week to rest him.

 

Not to mention playoffs.

 

How does that compare to Trent?

 

I'm waiting to see how your trap snaps shut.

[grelit]

TE would be a decent QB on a good team.

 

He hasn't been on a good team, or with a good coach, so he looks horrible.

 

The majority of QB's in this league would be "good" on "good" teams. There are a few "great" QBs that would be spectacular on any team.

 

Everyone who hates on TE and dreams of other QBs would be severely disappointed when they put up similar numbers because our line sucks, and our WR corps is a bit weak... and up until now we've had bad play calling (we'll see what Chan does).

 

I don't think TE will have a breakout year this year, simply because our OL is incredibly weak, and our offense will probably be focused on playmakers, not deep balls.

 

Trent is one of the main reasons why this team isn't good. It all starts with a GOOD QB.

[grelit]

TE would be a decent QB on a good team.

 

He hasn't been on a good team, or with a good coach, so he looks horrible.

 

The majority of QB's in this league would be "good" on "good" teams. There are a few "great" QBs that would be spectacular on any team.

 

Everyone who hates on TE and dreams of other QBs would be severely disappointed when they put up similar numbers because our line sucks, and our WR corps is a bit weak... and up until now we've had bad play calling (we'll see what Chan does).

 

I don't think TE will have a breakout year this year, simply because our OL is incredibly weak, and our offense will probably be focused on playmakers, not deep balls.

 

Trent is one of the main reasons why this team isn't good. It all starts with a GOOD QB.

[MarkyMannn]

the other is performing omphaloskepsis at the end of the bench.

 

OK, I had to look this one up, for the benefit of everyone else too: "contemplation of one's navel as an aid to meditation"

[starrymessenger]

Night and day, I agree.

I remember a Chargers team led by Brees playing in Buffalo in 2002, we beat them 20-13. If you told me right there and then that that same QB would be the MVP of Super Bowl XLIV I wouldn't have believe it. The guy was so normal, there was nothing in his game that would say, hey look, he's a star in the making.

 

Can Edwards be that guy? One can hope, right?

 

Disagree about Brees in SD. Have seen a couple of his games back then and again on NFL Network. Maybe not enough to go on but I viewed the replays with Trent comparisons in mind and the thing that stood out to me was the fluidity of DBs throwing motion and release and how well his athleticism was channelled into throwing the football. Much less natural in Trent. Hope I'm wrong but for now agree with Fluffhead.

[Cynical]

the other is performing omphaloskepsis at the end of the bench.

 

OK, I had to look this one up, for the benefit of everyone else too: "contemplation of one's navel as an aid to meditation"

 

 

Christ, I needed a good laugh ...

[tonyjustbcuz]

Not to make a comparison, but as I said before I was once a big proponent of Edwards and am now under the belief that this is his last chance to make a statement or Brohm's only chance as otherwise we will be getting a new QB in next year's draft. But, back in 04, the Chargers drafted Rivers because they thought Brees was a bust. Could Edwards have a year 4 breakout of epic proportions?

 

Brees

Year W-L Comp% Yds TD-Int Yds/A Rating

2001 0-0 55.6% 221 1-0 8.2 94.8

2002 8-8 60.8% 3284 17-16 6.2 76.9

2003 2-9 57.6% 2108 11-15 5.9 67.5

2004 11-4 65.5% 3159 27-7 7.9 104.8

 

Edwards

Year W-L Comp% Yds TD-Int Yds/A Rating

2007 5-4 56.1% 1630 7-8 6.1 70.4

2008 7-7 65.5% 2699 11-10 6.6 85.4

2009 2-5 60.1% 1169 6-7 5.3 73.8

2010 ????

 

 

I could see where you could make a comparative study of the two and see similarities. NOT!

 

Maybe, if Trent developed into a leader and admitted his own shortcomings instead of trying to put the blame on previous coaches, systems, and how many people he say's he's taking orders from. Maybe he'd be good if he threw to the right color uniforms? If he threw the balls in the air instead of into the ground? Maybe if he could sense pocket pressure and get rid of the ball prior to getting sacked, maybe if he would attempt to throw the ball more than 10 yards, maybe if he wasn't so injury/concussion prone? If he could just get used to cold weather games? Wet weather, fog, rain, away games, playing against division foes? If he could overcome most of those obstacles (there are others as well..) then just maybe he'd be a decent QB !! But, I think the Bills borrowed 3 street signs from a highway construction crew..... #1 Dead End (T. Edwards), #2 Road under Construction (Brohm), #3 Rough road ahead (Fitz.). In reference to Levi Brown maybe... Speed bumps ahead.

 

 

[grelit]

I could see where you could make a comparative study of the two and see similarities. NOT!

 

Maybe, if Trent developed into a leader and admitted his own shortcomings instead of trying to put the blame on previous coaches, systems, and how many people he say's he's taking orders from. Maybe he'd be good if he threw to the right color uniforms? If he threw the balls in the air instead of into the ground? Maybe if he could sense pocket pressure and get rid of the ball prior to getting sacked, maybe if he would attempt to throw the ball more than 10 yards, maybe if he wasn't so injury/concussion prone? If he could just get used to cold weather games? Wet weather, fog, rain, away games, playing against division foes? If he could overcome most of those obstacles (there are others as well..) then just maybe he'd be a decent QB !! But, I think the Bills borrowed 3 street signs from a highway construction crew..... #1 Dead End (T. Edwards), #2 Road under Construction (Brohm), #3 Rough road ahead (Fitz.). In reference to Levi Brown maybe... Speed bumps ahead.

 

 

 

 

+1

[Dorkington]

Trent is one of the main reasons why this team isn't good. It all starts with a GOOD QB.

I don't think Trent is to blame for the team's overall performance. For the most part he has been fairly accurate passer. He's not the best, I'm not saying he is... but he's far from the worst. But our OL and Coaching has definitely been near the worst lately.

 

Good teams can win with an average QB. Good teams make an average QB look good. Even if TE was a better QB than he is, I don't think the team would have won many more games if any. It's hard to make plays when you are getting pressured within seconds of the snap and your receivers haven't gotten open yet. Or the plays that are called make little use out of your skill players.

 

Put him on a team like the Jets, and I bet everyone would be hailing him as a "good" QB.

[Gunner]

Not to make a comparison, but as I said before I was once a big proponent of Edwards and am now under the belief that this is his last chance to make a statement or Brohm's only chance as otherwise we will be getting a new QB in next year's draft. But, back in 04, the Chargers drafted Rivers because they thought Brees was a bust. Could Edwards have a year 4 breakout of epic proportions?

 

Brees

Year W-L Comp% Yds TD-Int Yds/A Rating

2001 0-0 55.6% 221 1-0 8.2 94.8

2002 8-8 60.8% 3284 17-16 6.2 76.9

2003 2-9 57.6% 2108 11-15 5.9 67.5

2004 11-4 65.5% 3159 27-7 7.9 104.8

 

Edwards

Year W-L Comp% Yds TD-Int Yds/A Rating

2007 5-4 56.1% 1630 7-8 6.1 70.4

2008 7-7 65.5% 2699 11-10 6.6 85.4

2009 2-5 60.1% 1169 6-7 5.3 73.8

2010 ????

[Coach55]

First, you might want to go back and correct Trent's YPA in your original post. They are slightly higher than you showed. Not high by any means, but a bit higher.

 

Win-loss record is maybe 10 - 15% the result of QB play, yards is often misleading and Rating is a stupid stat. YPA is the best stat unless there are huge numbers of INTs.

 

Completion percentage, yards per attempt and INTs are the keys. Trent has a higher completion percentage, but his YPA shows why ... it's quite low because he was consistently checking down even when he didn't need to. His interception percentage was lower than Brees's through three years.

 

Could Trent's light go on? Yup. Will it? With records like Trent's, a lot more don't turn things around than do.

 

Let's hope.

you are correct. I picked up the wrong column

 

Corrected

 

Brees

Year W-L Comp% Yds TD-Int Yds/A Rating

2001 0-0 55.6% 221 1-0 8.2 94.8

2002 8-8 60.8% 3284 17-16 6.2 76.9

2003 2-9 57.6% 2108 11-15 5.9 67.5

2004 11-4 65.5% 3159 27-7 7.9 104.8

 

Edwards

Year W-L Comp% Yds TD-Int Yds/A Rating

2007 5-4 56.1% 1630 7-8 6.1 70.4

2008 7-7 65.5% 2699 11-10 7.2 85.4

2009 2-5 60.1% 1169 6-7 6.4 73.8

2010 ????

 

My point with this comparison is Edwards has shown flashes of brilliance.

Will he be the next Drew Brees - probably not.

Is his head completely shot - probably.

Is there a chance he shocks us all and leads us to the playoffs - maybe.

Is there a chance is hurt in the first 3 weeks and Brohm comes in to start - probably

Will we be seeing a 1st round draft pick of a QB in 2011 - chances are a lot better than slim

[ganesh]

TE would be a decent QB on a good team.

 

He hasn't been on a good team, or with a good coach, so he looks horrible.

 

The majority of QB's in this league would be "good" on "good" teams. There are a few "great" QBs that would be spectacular on any team.

 

Everyone who hates on TE and dreams of other QBs would be severely disappointed when they put up similar numbers because our line sucks, and our WR corps is a bit weak... and up until now we've had bad play calling (we'll see what Chan does).

 

I don't think TE will have a breakout year this year, simply because our OL is incredibly weak, and our offense will probably be focused on playmakers, not deep balls.

 

Case in point...Take Mr. Cassell had a great season with the Patriots team to a 11-5 record, but stunk up the joint in KC and at some point int he season Haley was willing to pull the plug on him...

 

Majority of the QBs in thsi league need a good team to win.

[trolls_r_us]

I will never be happier to see a player released than the day this Trent Edwards nightmare is just FINALLY over

 

I REALLY thought that after last season this kid was done here... the team CLEARLY gave up on HIM and he was shot with no confidence

 

The good news is that Jauron's QB will be done for good after this season. I actually HOPE he starts just to get it out of the way early so we can move on ASAP.

[billsrcursed]

If I may step in for him ...

 

Drew Brees has played in:

 

16 games in 2005, but was severely injured in the last game

16 games in 2006

16 games in 2007

16 games in 2008

and 15 games in 2009 because they pulled him the last week to rest him.

 

Not to mention playoffs.

 

How does that compare to Trent?

 

I'm waiting to see how your trap snaps shut.

He/she didn't say anything about consecutive games played, he said Brees was tough and Edwards was not.

 

If Brees takes that same Wilson shot, the same results would take place.

 

Your example speaks more of the Offensive upgrades Brees has over Trent, which is literally EVERY SINGLE POSITION.

 

For Trent to bounce back after a hit like that and not pack it in shows toughness to me. I'd certainly think twice about taking another snap behind our D-Bag line again after that shot.

 

We're talking about two different things here, which was my "trap". Toughness has nothing to do with the comparison, and is subjective and in this case misused, by the OP and now by you.

[TheChimp]

I refuse to take seriously any comparison between Brees and Edwards that doesn't include how often they wet themselves under pressure.

[Alphadawg7]

My point with this comparison is Edwards has shown flashes of brilliance.

 

 

Come on now...flashes of brilliance? Real question here...what games have you watched? I mean he hasnt had a single game where the word "brilliant" should be used, let alone shown it multiple time indicated by the fact you made that plural. I mean his best game (against KC) was handed to him on a silver platter by our D which had 5 takeaways and the fact that KC was one of the absoulte worst teams and defenses in the league. He has not had a game yet where he just dominated the game and had command the whole game. Not since High School...

 

His best games have been games that are about average for the better QB's in the league. A good game for Trent is 220 yards and 2 TD's...and he has only been able to get 2 TD's in a game just 5 times in his 30 starts...thats pathetic.

[Thurman#1]

You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig.....

 

No comparison.

 

 

 

With a bit of processing, pigs can be turned into mighty fine pork. Leave one outside his whole life, though and try to eat the 400 pound hairy tusker running at you and you're not likely to enjoy the experience.