The great Rob Johnson

[Rob's House]

if rob johnson somehow got hot tub time machined to this team, he would be our starting QB and there wouldnt be a debate. scary thought.

 

And he'd lose more games than anyone on our roster. His W-L record as a starter is worse than Fitz or Edwards, and he played on a much better team.

[uticaclub]

if joe montana had dick jauron has his head couch he wouldn't have been joe montana

[sabres...yawn]

Ask and you shall receive (I only used Johnson's time in Buffalo)

 

W-L-Comp-Att-Comp%-Yds-Yds/Att-TD-Int-Sacks

Johnson 9-17-401-663-60.5%-4798-7.2-27-17-110

Edwards 14-16-506-826-61.3%-5498-6.7-24-25-58

 

Their stat lines are relatively similar. One glaring difference is Johnson's 110 sacks which was always his demise. If he could actually make a decision, he could have been very dangerous because he had all of the talent. Instead, he is the most sacked QB per dropback in NFL history.

 

 

That's right.

 

110 sacks.

Wow.

 

Say what u will but RJ was NOT a wuss.

That guy took a pounding- much of it his own fault.

[NewEra]

And he'd lose more games than anyone on our roster. His W-L record as a starter is worse than Fitz or Edwards, and he played on a much better team.

 

you're right. and he'd still be our starter. even worse.

[Mr. WEO]

Sorry Edwards fans, Rob Johnson was better...

 

Rob Johnson

Games 26

TDs 27

% 64

INT 17

 

Trent Edwards

Games 30

TDs 24

% 61

INT 25

 

But these Edwards fans will somehow still feel the need to ignore the obvious, ignore what they have witnessed the last two seasons and buy into the moronic thoughts of a bad ex-NFL QB turned bad NFL analyst.

The obvious, as Coach55 pointed out, is that Johnson was a loser. 9-17 record on teams better than our current.

 

If you don't like or have given up on TE, fine--it's understandable. But to unfavorably compare him to the worst personnel decision the Bills made in the past 20 years removes any hint at seriousness from your argument.

[Gabe Northern]

W-L-Comp-Att-Comp%-Yds-Yds/Att-TD-Int-Sacks

Johnson 9-17-401-663-60.5%-4798-7.2-27-17-110

Edwards 14-16-506-826-61.3%-5498-6.7-24-25-58

 

that 4 to 1 attempt to sack ratio is absolutely mindboggling. He was sacked once every 5 times he dropped back to pass.

 

Trent haters are really off the mark if they'd rather have 8 yard losses on sacks instead of 5 yard gains on dumpoffs.

[Gabe Northern]

I laugh at the suggestion that Trent failed to look down field on plays where had time. He faces straight up jailbreaks on 3 plays and people want to know why he looks for the quick dump off on the other 2 where protection held up.

 

The guy sucked last year and lost all of his confidence but the blame has to go to the front office which blew up the offensive line and the coaching staff which went with a down field slow developing passing attack. Keep the 2008 line together - including Dockery who was overpaid but could have provided depth and allowed Wood to play center - and focus on quick passes and Trent's disasterous 2009 would not have happened.

[Lurker]

Quit

No problem...

[billsrcursed]

I don't think that there are really that many "Edwards apologists" on the board. I think it is more a case that, many (at least I) have more hope that Edwards can transform into something closer to a decent NFL QB, than Ryan Fitzpatrick. I will give you, Ryan seems to have a huge edge over Edwards, in confidence, but I don't think I have ever seen an NFL QB make as many bad throws as Fitz. He makes some decent ones too...but his skills are very limited.

 

There was a time, early on, that Edwards seemed on the fast track to being a good QB... IMO, his regression is a result of the coaching staff that he played for. They had no confidence in themselves, or their players, and it showed on the field. Remember, when Trent first started, he was lauded for his "poise"...he seemed to have intangibles that made him a better than average prospect. His poise became a joke around here, but there was something there, early on...the fact that his coaches ran a little league offense did little to help his confidence...we have all heard opposition players saying how easy it was to beat the Bills.

 

Shhhh....

 

You're not allowed to root for a Bills player in here....

[Adam]

Rob Johnson became less of a QB from being here, so did Edwards. At least Johnson had a #1 WR in Moulds and a real defense to take pressure off him.

 

Buffalo is nothing but a graveyard for coaches and QB's and is so full of bitter fans.

 

And he'd lose more games than anyone on our roster. His W-L record as a starter is worse than Fitz or Edwards, and he played on a much better team.

Please let me know when wins and losses are a QB stat. As of now, they aren't.

[Mr. WEO]

Rob Johnson became less of a QB from being here, so did Edwards. At least Johnson had a #1 WR in Moulds and a real defense to take pressure off him.

 

Buffalo is nothing but a graveyard for coaches and QB's and is so full of bitter fans.

 

 

Please let me know when wins and losses are a QB stat. As of now, they aren't.

Says who?

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnRo00.htm

 

PassingGlossary · CSV · PRE · Hide Partial Seasons · Game Log · Splits · TD Log · Passing TD Log · Big Games · Comebacks and game-winning drives

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% AV

 

Career 48 29 12-17-0 494 806 61.3 5795 30 3.7 23 2.9 74 7.2 6.7 11.7 120.7 83.6 140 817 5.3 4.8 14.8 21

4 yrs BUF 30 26 9-17-0 401 663 60.5 4798 27 4.1 17 2.6 74 7.2 6.9 12.0 159.9 85.5 110 660 5.4 5.1 14.2 17

3 yrs JAX 8 1 1-0-0 25 35 71.4 368 2 5.7 3 8.6 40 10.5 7.8 14.7 46.0 88.8 7 42 7.8 5.5 16.7 2

1 yr OAK 2 0 6 13 46.2 54 0 0.0 1 7.7 15 4.2 0.7 9.0 27.0 25.8 1 6 3.4 0.2 7.1 0

1 yr TAM 6 2 2-0-0 57 88 64.8 536 1 1.1 2 2.3 23 6.1 5.3 9.4 89.3 75.8 19 94 4.1 3.5 17.8 2

1 yr WAS 2 0

[Andre Speed]

this may be an interesting comparison, their first 3 years in the league:

 

Johnson: 368 yds 2 td 3 int 7 sax sack rate 20.0%

 

Edwards: 5498 yds 24 td 25 int 58 sax sack rate 7.0%

 

Favre: 6530 yds 37 td 39 int 65 sax sack rate 6.5%

 

 

Favre's career sack rate ended up at 4.9%, RJ's ended at 14.8%.

 

 

call me crazy, but i see a liiiiiiiiiitle more promise in the 2nd and 3rd guys above.

 

~as

[PS 56]

Johnson's other problem, IMO, was he was insanely brittle and couldn't stay on the field. Taking a lot of sacks isn't great, but when the QB gets hit often and each hit could mean he then misses a handful of games, it's a career ender.

 

I don't know about the extremely brittle comment. Heck, you get hit enough by a 300 pound defensive lineman and you would get injured as well. Not making excuses for him just pointing out that getting hit a lot has its consequences.

[billsfreak]

What an original post... I am not going to do your work for you, but I will bet that Rob Johnson's stats were much better than Trent Edwards are. Of course, the fact that they played on two completely different squads, sharing only an owner in common, might mean somehting....

I would think so too, since Johnson had quite a bit more talent around him, and not just on offense either, one of the top defenses. Edwards might never turn out to be any good, but there is much more of a chance he will than Noodle Arm Fitz ever will.

[billsfreak]

Says who?

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnRo00.htm

 

PassingGlossary · CSV · PRE · Hide Partial Seasons · Game Log · Splits · TD Log · Passing TD Log · Big Games · Comebacks and game-winning drives

Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% AV

 

Career 48 29 12-17-0 494 806 61.3 5795 30 3.7 23 2.9 74 7.2 6.7 11.7 120.7 83.6 140 817 5.3 4.8 14.8 21

4 yrs BUF 30 26 9-17-0 401 663 60.5 4798 27 4.1 17 2.6 74 7.2 6.9 12.0 159.9 85.5 110 660 5.4 5.1 14.2 17

3 yrs JAX 8 1 1-0-0 25 35 71.4 368 2 5.7 3 8.6 40 10.5 7.8 14.7 46.0 88.8 7 42 7.8 5.5 16.7 2

1 yr OAK 2 0 6 13 46.2 54 0 0.0 1 7.7 15 4.2 0.7 9.0 27.0 25.8 1 6 3.4 0.2 7.1 0

1 yr TAM 6 2 2-0-0 57 88 64.8 536 1 1.1 2 2.3 23 6.1 5.3 9.4 89.3 75.8 19 94 4.1 3.5 17.8 2

1 yr WAS 2 0

The saddest part was that we gave up a first round pick for him based on a one game performance. We got Rob Johnson and they Jags got Fred Taylor with our pick? Not one of the shiniest moments in Bills FO history. At least when they gave up a first for Bledsoe it was based on almost a decade of pretty good play.

[Rob's House]

Please let me know when wins and losses are a QB stat. As of now, they aren't.

 

God forbid we go outside of the official recorded statistics in our analysis. It might make some people's brains hurt if they were forced to think.

[Adam]

God forbid we go outside of the official recorded statistics in our analysis. It might make some people's brains hurt if they were forced to think.

That isn't thinking- it is oversimplifying! Were we in position to beat Tennessee in the playoff game because of Rob Johnson's heroics, or because of Antowain Smith breaking off a long run and great play by our defense. Did we lose to Pittsburgh and miss the playoffs a few years back because Bledsoe stinks or because the offensive line was as soft as the fans complaining about the cold?

 

QB's don't win or lose games. Organizations win and lose games. Games can be won or lost on a simple bad/good bounce of the ball.

[KD in CA]

Damn those Edwards fans!! What is wrong with them?? Don't they know they should despise any non-pro bowl QB on the team unless he's a 7th round draft pick or spent the last two years sitting on Green Bay's practice squad???

 

[NoSaint]

I don't know about the extremely brittle comment. Heck, you get hit enough by a 300 pound defensive lineman and you would get injured as well. Not making excuses for him just pointing out that getting hit a lot has its consequences.

 

 

i dont know how many games he missed but the 100+ sacks, and probably closer to 200 hits he took in such a short period add up quickly. id almost venture to say he was tough for not missing more when you look at the shear volume of hits (even if they were his own fault).

[DC Tom]

Rob Johnson is the worst QB in Bills history. This guy played on the same team that consistently won w/ Flutie (who most believe was a slightly above avg QB and nothing more) and lost at a staggering rate. This was with a shut down defense on the other side, no less.

 

Sure he had a big arm, and had a few nice plays here and there, but that's what happens when you hold on the ball until a wide open receiver goes streaking down the field. You make some plays, you pad your stats, and you lose a lot of games.

 

In Bills history? I've got three names for you: Gary Marangi, Vince Ferragamo, and Bruce Mathison.