folz Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I've seen in a number of threads where posters say Buddy and/or Chan are bad or will be bad simply because they are old. And we should have picked younger guys who are more in touch. But age also means experience... not saying that always leads to success, but their age does not preclude that they will fail. Ok, Ralph is 91, that is old But 58 and 70 years old in this day and age doesn't mean you're ready for the retirement home, or are going senile, or are so hopelessly out of touch with the world that you can't be productive anymore. Chan just turned 58 years old Bill Belichick is 57 (only 3 months younger than Chan) Pete Carroll is 58 (4 months older than Chan) Mike Shanahan is 57 (only 7 months younger than Chan) John Fox is 55 Wade Phillips is 62 Jim Caldwell is 55 (and in a Superbowl) Tom Coughlin is 63 (won a Superbowl at 61) Norv Turner is 57 Marty Schottenheimer was 63 his last year in SD (66 now) Marv Levy was 71 when he retired (went to Super Bowls at age 65, 66, 67, and 68) Dick Vermeil was 69 when he retired (won Superbowl when he was 63) Bill Parcells coached until he was 65 I could go on and on... If we had hired Shanahan would anyone be saying he's too old? Buddy is 70 years old Bill Parcells is 68 Mike Holmgren is 62 Bill Polian is 67 A.J. Smith is 61 Jerry Jones is 67 Al Davis is 80 (ok, bad example) GM info was harder to find and yes, Buddy is one of the oldest current GMs, but would anyone be saying they were too old if we hired Parcells or Polian? Age doesn't mean anything, but experience can mean everything I am not saying these guys will be successful (but I hope they are) and I'm fine with people arguing against them because of their records/resumes, or them being retreads, or in-house hires, or whatever, but please stop with the they aren't good because they are old stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBills12 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Agreed...good post. I'm pulling for this staff as well. Hey Bills fans - Gailey and Nix WANT TO BE HERE AND WANT TO WIN. Let's show some support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 It really is as bad as saying blacks are not intelligent enough to play QB or that whites are not agile enough to play the skill positions. Treat people as individual cases, not as statistical probabilities. In the case of Ralph Wilson, age isn't the reason for his incompetence at managing the football side of his business. Ralph's been screwing things up in that area since he was in his 50's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Agreed...good post. I'm pulling for this staff as well. Hey Bills fans - Gailey and Nix WANT TO BE HERE AND WANT TO WIN. Let's show some support. That would be way too easy, it's much more fun to make fun of the way they talk, spew unwarranted filth and here say about every little move, question their combined 50plus years of experience and proclaim them failures before they ever take the field, oh I almost forgot whining about the guy that got away that never planned on coming in the first place. BTW, I agree with you. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTC Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 That would be way too easy, it's much more fun to make fun of the way they talk, spew unwarranted filth and here say about every little move, question their combined 50plus years of experience and proclaim them failures before they ever take the field, oh I almost forgot whining about the guy that got away that never planned on coming in the first place. BTW, I agree with you. +1 Oh, put a sock in it gramps! Kidding, I'm a (fairly) old fart myself. Excellent post! Hopefully this put the age thing into perspective a little bit. I still hate the Gailey hiring but it has nothing to do with age! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Oh, put a sock in it gramps! Kidding, I'm a (fairly) old fart myself. Excellent post! Hopefully this put the age thing into perspective a little bit. I still hate the Gailey hiring but it has nothing to do with age! hey, its ok not to like a hire for a legit reason, but to simply say "well f him he's old" is stupid, the truth is, nix has been a part of building a winning franchise from the ground up, and chan does have a winning record overall, and has developed schemes and players off all types. Point is, just give it a chance, if he sucks, then he sucks, but maybe, just maybe, this is the surprise team that brings the winning back to buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Ageism can work both ways. Hiring nothing but fellows over 70 years of age can be discrimination against younger guys who may have more qualifications, believe it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Ageism can work both ways. Hiring nothing but fellows over 70 years of age can be discrimination against younger guys who may have more qualifications, believe it or not. we hired 1 guy 70 or older, also, remember, those younger guys must WANT to be here, and apparently, those types are on short supply for the bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I got nothing against old guys. Just stupid old guys. Right now, as much as I like Nix and Gailey as personalities, the process by which they were hired (both GM and coach) was idiotic. Just for the record, I love my grandparents. All this talk about giving them a chance - we don't have much of a choice now, do we? But I'll give this franchise a chance and trust them when a decision they make reaps dividends. Until then they deserve and should expect our skepticism. C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawchukBills Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Agreed...good post. I'm pulling for this staff as well. Hey Bills fans - Gailey and Nix WANT TO BE HERE AND WANT TO WIN. Let's show some support. Best way to say it! I think we all can agree...eventually...that hiring Nix and Gailey, although not our 1st, 2nd, or even 6th choice, is/will be a good thing because of their willingness to be here...I definitely wouldnt want to employ someone who doesnt want to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I got nothing against old guys. Just stupid old guys. Right now, as much as I like Nix and Gailey as personalities, the process by which they were hired (both GM and coach) was idiotic. Just for the record, I love my grandparents. All this talk about giving them a chance - we don't have much of a choice now, do we? But I'll give this franchise a chance and trust them when a decision they make reaps dividends. Until then they deserve and should expect our skepticism. C +2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 The baby boomer generation wants you to believe that 60 is the new 40. I will go for that! Does that make me 21... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 The baby boomer generation wants you to believe that 60 is the new 40. I will go for that! Does that make me 21... I am 44... I can attest, 44 is the new 70... my freaking knees are killing me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 It really is as bad as saying blacks are not intelligent enough to play QB or that whites are not agile enough to play the skill positions. Treat people as individual cases, not as statistical probabilities. In the case of Ralph Wilson, age isn't the reason for his incompetence at managing the football side of his business. Ralph's been screwing things up in that area since he was in his 50's. And the funny thing is that at 91 the man has built multiple businesses that are worth near a billion dollars. His football operations might be lacking, but his business sense has served him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Buddy is 70 years oldBill Parcells is 68 Mike Holmgren is 62 Bill Polian is 67 A.J. Smith is 61 Jerry Jones is 67 Al Davis is 80 (ok, bad example) GM info was harder to find and yes, Buddy is one of the oldest current GMs, but would anyone be saying they were too old if we hired Parcells or Polian? A lot of people wanted Ron Wolf. Ron Wolf is 71. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 What's really funny is that Nix and Gailey are probably in better shape than half the posters here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Agreed...good post. I'm pulling for this staff as well. Hey Bills fans - Gailey and Nix WANT TO BE HERE AND WANT TO WIN. Let's show some support. Which new coach in the NFL doesn't want to win? Is that all it takes now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I've seen in a number of threads where posters say Buddy and/or Chan are bad or will be bad simply because they are old. And we should have picked younger guys who are more in touch. But age also means experience... not saying that always leads to success, but their age does not preclude that they will fail. Ok, Ralph is 91, that is old But 58 and 70 years old in this day and age doesn't mean you're ready for the retirement home, or are going senile, or are so hopelessly out of touch with the world that you can't be productive anymore. Chan just turned 58 years old Bill Belichick is 57 (only 3 months younger than Chan) Pete Carroll is 58 (4 months older than Chan) Mike Shanahan is 57 (only 7 months younger than Chan) John Fox is 55 Wade Phillips is 62 Jim Caldwell is 55 (and in a Superbowl) Tom Coughlin is 63 (won a Superbowl at 61) Norv Turner is 57 Marty Schottenheimer was 63 his last year in SD (66 now) Marv Levy was 71 when he retired (went to Super Bowls at age 65, 66, 67, and 68) Dick Vermeil was 69 when he retired (won Superbowl when he was 63) Bill Parcells coached until he was 65 I could go on and on... If we had hired Shanahan would anyone be saying he's too old? Buddy is 70 years old Bill Parcells is 68 Mike Holmgren is 62 Bill Polian is 67 A.J. Smith is 61 Jerry Jones is 67 Al Davis is 80 (ok, bad example) GM info was harder to find and yes, Buddy is one of the oldest current GMs, but would anyone be saying they were too old if we hired Parcells or Polian? Age doesn't mean anything, but experience can mean everything I am not saying these guys will be successful (but I hope they are) and I'm fine with people arguing against them because of their records/resumes, or them being retreads, or in-house hires, or whatever, but please stop with the they aren't good because they are old stuff... Well said but realize the ones complaining are probably in their teens and 20's and think it's cool to pick on older people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Maybe you guys should have taken a look at the Sports Guy's Rule on that... If the coach of your favorite team is older than 55, or if your team is about to hire someone who's older than 55, there's a good chance you should start preparing for a frustrating stretch of football. Only Dick Vermeil (63), Weeb Ewbank (61), Tom Coughlin (61) and Barry Switzer (58) have won over the age 55. What Super Bowl are we on now...XLIV?? http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/columns/s...patriots/090925 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Hey...I'm old. I think Buddy and Chan are bad because they haven't shown they are any good. I'm less than impressed by their resumes to date. I thought the same about Dick Jauron. Hope I'm wrong and they have been hiding all the good stuff to pull it out in our 2010 superbowl run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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