bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Has he refused to interview because hes trying to stay focused on the playoffs or refused to consider our HC position??? Remember less than a week ago it was claimed Grimm refused an interview as well. Will we let the damn process work itself out instead of reacting to ever Schecter report????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Not for nothing, but aside from being employed by the team for like 10 months - Nix was an outsider. He was only here for the 2009 season...I do agree it would have been nice to see us interview people from other teams who had no or very little ties to us, but during the decade of disgrace - Nix had nothing to do with us and well..he found some awesome players for SD. Would anyones opinion change if he had not been employed with us during 2009 and then hired after? My point is is that I think most would have said, yeah he's old but he has a good track record of finding great players and in his presser he said a lot of things that the fans have been wanting. Just becuase he was employed by the bills for 10 months out of 10 years doesn't make him an "insider"... Alan Wilson even mentioned that Modrak wanted Cushing over Maybin. John Guy has even been on the record as saying that he provides recommendations and it is up to others within the organization to decide who they want to pursue and how much to offer (I cannot believe I am standing up for these two). It just really makes me realize that there is more to the picture than we care to believe. TD was an atrosicous GM/president, Marv was over his head as GM. We didn't draft great players with Williams, Mularkey or Jauron. I think there are lots of things that factor into someone's decision to come here or not to come here. TD made a lot of bone headed decisions and deserved to get shi*t canned. Marv went with a consensus approach to drafting and the results were about the same as the TD era. I think one thing that may have happened was that during this time too much final say was given to the HC. Marv was an HC and much like Parcells and other HCs want to be able to have a say as to who is on their team. After Marv, I am sure the same process went on and DJ most likely had final say. I find myself wondering how much of this decade is TD, Marv's and DJs fault and not so much of poor recommendations by Modrak and Guy. RW was the common denominator, but honestly how much say did he really have??? One thing I do want to toss in about B. Schotty is that I am not sure how I feel about a young and hungry up and coming coordinator, the kid is 36 yrs old and what exactly has he accomplished over a period of time either playing or coaching? Yes his father is a great regular season coach, but what has this kid done? I feel the same way about McDermott in Philly...I do not want Frazier, I am sick of a player's coach and someone who is Dungy/Jauron like laid-back. Russ Grimm is a more interesting choice, he has played on 3 SB teams, was a finalist for the Steelers job and has a good track record in coaching as well...Oh yeah he is a finalist for the HOF for thr 4th time...I think I just figured out who I would like to see as our coach... It's not wrong to stand up for either of those guys. I honestly think that a lot of the advice they give isn't followed. As for Guy, the free agents they've brought in and the trades they've made in the last 2 years have been successful (Fitz is a quality backup; Hangartner; Stroud; Drayton Florence). I don't give Guy credit for TO since I suspect that was a marketing decision. I gather he wanted L. Coles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Would he have interviewed for the carolina job if that was open or seattle if asked or washington? How bout a really good team if they had an opening? If you can reasonablly guess "no" to these questions, then your point is valid but I'm betting you can't. Would I have married Heidi Klum if I met here before Seal? Or Adrianna Lima if she didn't meet that d-bag basketball player? Speculation is stupid IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 I can't speak for anyone else, but I have a feeling people not being enamored of Leslie Frazier is because he's a Tampa-2 disciple. Say hello to corners playing 15 yards off the line of scrimmage. We been dealing with the craptastic defense for 4 years now, and people don't want any more of it. Tampa 2 is awesome of you're a dome team or a warm weather team...which we're not. As I've stated elsewhere, there's really no evidence that he's a "disciple" of the Cover 2. He ran a different defense in Cincy, was an integral part of Buddy Ryan's 46 D in 1985, and coached under Jim Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 well B. Schottenheimer is aware he will be a hotter commodity the longer the Jets are in the playoffs. The Bills have gone through Phillips, Williams, Mularkey and Jauron in relatively short order. We will be losing major players to free agency, its unclear where the power for drafting and personnel will be, and the Bills owner is not long for this world and the then the new folks may move the franchise. I think B Shotts is waiting for an offer from a more viable franchise. When you look around what openings do you see? If there were a couple I might agree with you, but there aren't. What he should know...strike while the iron is hot cause this year's wunderkind coordinator is next year's also ran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbag3man Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Let's see, they interviewed Frazier, wanted to talk to Schottenheimer, want to talk to Grimm ... doesn't seem like a ridiculous amount of obstruction taking place. Add that teams can be asked for permission to interview coaches during the playoffs and this argument is rather wobbly. Right, but even if Schottenheimer was the #1 guy that we wanted, this is the first week that we can interview him. So while we are going down the list, of Shotty Jr. was the #1 guy (which he wasn't, i hope), we still couldn't have interviewed him till this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Would I have married Heidi Klum if I met here before Seal? Or Adrianna Lima if she didn't meet that d-bag basketball player? Speculation is stupid IMO. the difference is that some speculation is so wild that it borders on ridiculous and some isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 It's not wrong to stand up for either of those guys. I honestly think that a lot of the advice they give isn't followed. As for Guy, the free agents they've brought in and the trades they've made in the last 2 years have been successful (Fitz is a quality backup; Hangartner; Stroud; Drayton Florence). I don't give Guy credit for TO since I suspect that was a marketing decision. I gather he wanted L. Coles. I know it's not wrong, but really just taking a step back and looking at the entire picture; I do really wonder "who" is to blame. We all know that Modrak did a really good job in Philly - I have no clue what Guy's past has been like. When TD was here, we all know that he was King Tut and made all the decisions. My feeling on Marv is that he let the coach make a lot of calls and I suspect that the same philosphy carried through... I am sure this will be different with Nix, but we really need to find an HC that believes in building a team the way Nix wants to. I only see 2 candidates right now that would fit that picture...Cowher and Grimm. Dumping the Tampa 2 and instally a 3-4 or even a 4-3 will require a bit of an overhaul in defensive talent. If we are having trouble filling the HC positions, imagine what it's going to be like to get FAs to come here to overhaul the defense...I know this is a terrible comparison, but hell I tried to do this on Madden and doing things the "right" way as if it was the real world still took me 2 seasons to switch the D and I didn't do much to the Offense. Part of me thinks that the FO may know this and may go with Frazier to keep the Tampa - 2 and rebuild the O to get us competitive...and then the wheels will spin and spin for 3 or 4 years and we decide to dump Frazier and switch Defensive schemes. Hiring a Cowher or a Grimm type of HC will set us back a couple of seasons if we decide to overhaul the D and how much will we have to overpay FAs to come here?? Even if we havea 2 or 3 great drafts, there is still a long way to go with a non-Tampa 2 coach... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Right, but even if Schottenheimer was the #1 guy that we wanted, this is the first week that we can interview him. So while we are going down the list, of Shotty Jr. was the #1 guy (which he wasn't, i hope), we still couldn't have interviewed him till this weekend. Suffices to say that when the Bills start calling college coaches, position coaches, CFL coaches, that they are working their way DOWN and not up -- hence the optimism that another coordinator turned the Bills down is "wonderful news" is nothing more than floating another half-filled hope balloon in the storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 good i have no interest in schottenheimer. he's inexperienced and the jets offense is nothing special. i think he knew there wasnt much chance he'd get the job and didnt want to give bills an opportunity to pick the brain of a key divisional rival Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 What if Russ Grimm says no thank you? Then we're really fooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Then we're really fooked. Good news is that he already said yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Why? WTF has he done in the NFL coaching wise, that warrants a HC job? NOTHING is the answer. we just want to be wanted! is that so bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Good news is that he already said yes. Only to the interview... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cale Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 why hasn't Cowher officially said no??? why is so easy for Schott jr and Shanahan?? Has shefter spoken with Cowher?? has anyone?? why doesn't he be the one to end the speculation - what's he waiting for? He wants to say No specifically to the Buffalo Bills and possibly the Raiders. But he wants the rest of the NFL to know that he is available. He's just being classy about the whole thing and not coming out and saying it. If he did say "No", the assumption might be that he's not available to coach at all in 2010. That is clearly not the case. Right now, I'd settle for Eric Taylor. C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 I know it's not wrong, but really just taking a step back and looking at the entire picture; I do really wonder "who" is to blame. We all know that Modrak did a really good job in Philly - I have no clue what Guy's past has been like. When TD was here, we all know that he was King Tut and made all the decisions. My feeling on Marv is that he let the coach make a lot of calls and I suspect that the same philosphy carried through... I am sure this will be different with Nix, but we really need to find an HC that believes in building a team the way Nix wants to. I only see 2 candidates right now that would fit that picture...Cowher and Grimm. Dumping the Tampa 2 and instally a 3-4 or even a 4-3 will require a bit of an overhaul in defensive talent. If we are having trouble filling the HC positions, imagine what it's going to be like to get FAs to come here to overhaul the defense...I know this is a terrible comparison, but hell I tried to do this on Madden and doing things the "right" way as if it was the real world still took me 2 seasons to switch the D and I didn't do much to the Offense. Part of me thinks that the FO may know this and may go with Frazier to keep the Tampa - 2 and rebuild the O to get us competitive...and then the wheels will spin and spin for 3 or 4 years and we decide to dump Frazier and switch Defensive schemes. Hiring a Cowher or a Grimm type of HC will set us back a couple of seasons if we decide to overhaul the D and how much will we have to overpay FAs to come here?? Even if we havea 2 or 3 great drafts, there is still a long way to go with a non-Tampa 2 coach... If you see it as a 3 or 4 year job to correct the last 4 or 5 years of blunders, and the owner is a frail 91 year old, do you want to put your name, effort, and heart next to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Then we're really fooked. The Senator might get his wish...we might actually work our way down to Mike Leach...When Marshawn screws up again Leach can lock him in a closet to keep him out of trouble... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfw1234 Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 I know it's not wrong, but really just taking a step back and looking at the entire picture; I do really wonder "who" is to blame. We all know that Modrak did a really good job in Philly - I have no clue what Guy's past has been like. When TD was here, we all know that he was King Tut and made all the decisions. My feeling on Marv is that he let the coach make a lot of calls and I suspect that the same philosphy carried through... I am sure this will be different with Nix, but we really need to find an HC that believes in building a team the way Nix wants to. I only see 2 candidates right now that would fit that picture...Cowher and Grimm. Dumping the Tampa 2 and instally a 3-4 or even a 4-3 will require a bit of an overhaul in defensive talent. If we are having trouble filling the HC positions, imagine what it's going to be like to get FAs to come here to overhaul the defense...I know this is a terrible comparison, but hell I tried to do this on Madden and doing things the "right" way as if it was the real world still took me 2 seasons to switch the D and I didn't do much to the Offense. Part of me thinks that the FO may know this and may go with Frazier to keep the Tampa - 2 and rebuild the O to get us competitive...and then the wheels will spin and spin for 3 or 4 years and we decide to dump Frazier and switch Defensive schemes. Hiring a Cowher or a Grimm type of HC will set us back a couple of seasons if we decide to overhaul the D and how much will we have to overpay FAs to come here?? Even if we havea 2 or 3 great drafts, there is still a long way to go with a non-Tampa 2 coach... Cowher would attract FOs to Buffalo and quality DC to design/implement the 3-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Only to the interview... Hey, that's better than most of the people we've talked to this offseason. Halfway home! Halfway home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Animal Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Tell me again why they would get rid of Fewell and hire Frazier? Is it because of all that wild buzz and excitement the hiring of Leslie would create in WNY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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