Fan in Chicago Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Give this man his desired chance, he will prove it. Let some other poor sappy team give him his chance to prove what a total inflexible idiot he is. Not the Bills, please ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Maybe you forget the Bills of '88 through the mid '90's. Yeah, we had Thurmond but we were a predominantly passing team! Maybe we don't have a Kelley on the roster right now but if Brohm or a draft choice QB comes through for us, hey, history often repeats itself, huh?!! Dude, is Thurmond... Thurman Thomas? is Kelley... Jim Kelly? Not for nothing but in the Kelly years late 80's - early 90's, the Bills ran more often then they passed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Kurt Warner often spent weekends with Martz, eating and sleeping together while looking at film to perfect Warner's form. Martz is best known as the offensive coordinator behind the St. Louis Rams high-powered 1999 team that won the Super Bowl. As a head coach in the NFL Martz was 56-36 in 5 1/3 seasons as the St. Louis Rams head coach. He won two division titles, had four playoff berths including a NFC championship and a trip to Super Bowl XXXVI. He can build a team & QB. He would also be VERY eager to prove he is still a great coach. He would be reasonable on the $$$ and may be able to build a dynasty again - he did it once. He has the best track record of any of these coaches. Who cares about his personality (would you rather have a 'nice' coach like DJ) ? He is a winner and a very good coach when he has control of the team. Give this man his desired chance, he will prove it. Martz didn't build the team in St Louis. He tore it apart. He was never a great Head Coach, quite the opposite really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilbuffalobob Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Martz is not the best option for Buffalo because of the climate Ralph Wilson Stadium has to deal with. I would rank Martz even behind Schottenheimer Jr. The order I would rank the coaching options is: Cowher Billick Rivera Option 4 - TBD Option 5 - TBD Haslett Schottenheimer Jr Martz Option 4 - Denny Green Option 5 - Jerry Glanville What's Martz know about plaing outside in the elements? Can anyone dig-up his HC W-L record in outdoor games in the months of Nov-Jan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Kurt Warner often spent weekends with Martz, eating and sleeping together while looking at film to perfect Warner's form. Martz is best known as the offensive coordinator behind the St. Louis Rams high-powered 1999 team that won the Super Bowl. As a head coach in the NFL Martz was 56-36 in 5 1/3 seasons as the St. Louis Rams head coach. He won two division titles, had four playoff berths including a NFC championship and a trip to Super Bowl XXXVI. He can build a team & QB. He would also be VERY eager to prove he is still a great coach. He would be reasonable on the $$$ and may be able to build a dynasty again - he did it once. He has the best track record of any of these coaches. Who cares about his personality (would you rather have a 'nice' coach like DJ) ? He is a winner and a very good coach when he has control of the team. Give this man his desired chance, he will prove it. No, no, no, no, and no. Martz is an egotistical, pass happy, dictator who misused talent and underachieved on his own. He basically ran Warner out of town in favor of Bulger. That worked out well. He was giving one of the greatest RB's in the game, Marshall Faulk, only 12-15 touches a game when he was still on top of his game. He couldn't do anything in Detroit and even got ran off by Matt Millen, that says alot. Then, he couldn't cut it in San Francisco as an OC. I'd rather us keep Fewell than bring in Martz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Simple answer to the original post: watch the wind/snow blow attempted passes sideways in today's game. Then think about a Martz offense trying to operate in those conditions. Next question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Kurt Warner often spent weekends with Martz, eating and sleeping together while looking at film to perfect Warner's form. Martz is best known as the offensive coordinator behind the St. Louis Rams high-powered 1999 team that won the Super Bowl. As a head coach in the NFL Martz was 56-36 in 5 1/3 seasons as the St. Louis Rams head coach. He won two division titles, had four playoff berths including a NFC championship and a trip to Super Bowl XXXVI. He can build a team & QB. He would also be VERY eager to prove he is still a great coach. He would be reasonable on the $$$ and may be able to build a dynasty again - he did it once. He has the best track record of any of these coaches. Who cares about his personality (would you rather have a 'nice' coach like DJ) ? He is a winner and a very good coach when he has control of the team. Give this man his desired chance, he will prove it. I love Martz. He's probably the third or fourth best coach out there, IMHO and would be a good hire. But in no way is he better than Cowher. Not in this space-time continuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Great. Dick Vermeil builds the team, takes it to a SB victory, walks away, hands the keys to Martz who runs the team into the ground. Even if you're plans include building a domed stadium in Buffalo Martz isn't the kind of HC candidate I'm looking at and sayin', "Yeah!" The main reason Martz took that team to an SB victory is that he has Mike Martz as his OC. The reason that team went downhill is that they lost their excellent DC to Chicago as head coach. If Martz had been holding them back, they would have bounced back the year after he left. Instead they nose-dived. Martz had been holding them up, if anything. But still, Martz is no Cowher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Option 4 - Denny GreenOption 5 - Jerry Glanville What's Martz know about plaing outside in the elements? Can anyone dig-up his HC W-L record in outdoor games in the months of Nov-Jan? Can't find the weather, but when he had good players, he won at the Meadowlands against the Giants on Nov. 12, 2000 with both Faulk and Warner out with injuries. On Nov. 18, 2001, the Martz-led Rams again won in the northeast, this time beating the Pats*, who went on to win the SB that year. On Dec. 1, 2002, he led them to a loss at Philly. In 2003, he racked up 2 wins and a loss in outdoor Northern climes, beating the Bears on Nov. 16th in Chicago, the Browns on Dec. 8th in Cleveland and losing to the Lions in Detroit on Dec. 28th. In 2004, with an 8 - 8 team, they lost at Buffalo in Week 11. In 2005, no games qualified. I haven't been able to find the weather in these games, but overall, 4 - 3, which isn't bad. It makes you think that weather wasn't a factor when Martz had decent players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Put down the crack pipe and think for a min. The guy was fired in St Louis. The thinking was Kurt Warner was washed up and he wanted Marc Bulger, smart move huh! FIRED in St Louis as head coach FIRED in Detroit as offensive coordinator FIRED in San Francisco as offensive coordinator The guy has been canned in is last three jobs, 2 of which he was merely a coordinator, so how does he qualify for a head coaching job?????????? Talk about a loser, even Jauron thinks Martz stinks Everybody gets canned in the NFL. Particularly when the teams you are coaching have poor players, which is the story with Martz's last few teams. However, each of the teams of which he was a head coach nose-dived with basically the same players after Martz left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 He was a complete failure as a head coach. Not to mention the fact he's a guy who relies on the passing game, and Nix has said we need a team that isn't built for a dome. WE CAN'T HAVE A PASS-FIRST TEAM! Period. Mike Martz would build the same crap he built elsewhere. So how did he do in Detroit? How would Vince Lombardi have done with those players? Seriously? Those players bit. The year after Martz led them to a 7 - 9 record, they went 0 - 16 without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Kurt Warner often spent weekends with Martz, eating and sleeping together while looking at film to perfect Warner's form. Martz is best known as the offensive coordinator behind the St. Louis Rams high-powered 1999 team that won the Super Bowl. As a head coach in the NFL Martz was 56-36 in 5 1/3 seasons as the St. Louis Rams head coach. He won two division titles, had four playoff berths including a NFC championship and a trip to Super Bowl XXXVI. He can build a team & QB. He would also be VERY eager to prove he is still a great coach. He would be reasonable on the $$$ and may be able to build a dynasty again - he did it once. He has the best track record of any of these coaches. Who cares about his personality (would you rather have a 'nice' coach like DJ) ? He is a winner and a very good coach when he has control of the team. Give this man his desired chance, he will prove it. Martz is a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 there is a reason no one has hired him and that will continue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 This is one of those joke threads, right? There are people who believe he is an anywhere close to sane option for coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 If you don't want the guy, fine. But your loose grasp of the facts weakens your position. Before Martz showed up Vermeil's Rams sucked. Martz created the offense in 99--Vermeil did not. Before Martz was hired, Warner was a 3rd stringer for Vermeil, who thought he was all set with Banks and Bono. After Vermeil's tearful goodbye, Martz hardly "ran the team into the ground". They went to the SB in his second year as HC. He led them to the playoffs in 4 of his 5 years. His playoff record was 6-4 (a winning percentage better than Dungy's). The Rams took a dive when Warner broke his finger and turned into a turnover machine when he did play. Faulk was getting run down. Yes, he couldn't make much of the crap in SF (a team whose offense still sucks, despite dumping Martz). Didn't the Bills "chase out of town" an OC named Gilbride? How did that work out for both parties? Get it now? Not really. Gilbride has gone on to have success with the Giants. Martz has managed to get canned in his last 2 stops. As an offensive coordinator. As far as running the team into the ground, after Vermeil left, the Rams began to fall apart. And Martz certainly did not do anything to help improve the status of the team under his watch. He road the coattails of Vermeil. That, I get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Búfalo Blanco Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Give this man his desired chance, he will prove it. You've got to be kidding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Not really. Gilbride has gone on to have success with the Giants. Martz has managed to get canned in his last 2 stops. As an offensive coordinator. As far as running the team into the ground, after Vermeil left, the Rams began to fall apart. And Martz certainly did not do anything to help improve the status of the team under his watch. He road the coattails of Vermeil. That, I get. Vermeil's coattails?? Maybe you should reread what I posted--all facts. The RAms were awful untill 1999-the year Martz put together the offense. They went to a SB 2 years after Vermeil moved on. They went to the playoffs 4 more years. You can say anything you want. But you should preface posts like this with "I don't care what the true history is, I feel that...." and THEN you can complete your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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