Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Let's think.... Pick McKinney instead of Mike Williams... Pick Ngata instead of Whitner... Keep Jason Peters... Draft Orako instead of Maybin.... WOW!!! You want to know what's sad? If you took a poll on this board pre-draft on each of those decisions, the vast majority here would have made the right decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NyQuil Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Peters going to the Pro Bowl is great.... ....it means the Jason Peters love/hate threads will continue all next season. They are great reads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Philster Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 thing about McKinnie is this...we had a GM who said that he wouldn't pursue/draft anyone who didn't want to be here...McKinnie made it clear before the draft that he didn't want to come to Buffalo in an interview on Fox Sports Net's Best Damn Sports Show Period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kipers Hair Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 could both be Bills http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=09000d...mp;confirm=true CONGRATS TO JAIRUS BYRD !! Don't forget, we passed on the following as well, Bryant McKinney (OT), Holati Ngata (DT), Brian Cushing (LB)...all areas of current need for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 the Pro Bowl is a joke and unfortunately has become more of a popularity contest then anything....Peters making it is comical, his play this year has been average at best Actually, Peters was one of the most dominating tackles in the league this year (I watched a ton of Eagles games). He was usually left on an island, and when he got his hands on a DE, it was a thing of beauty to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Let's think.... Pick McKinney instead of Mike Williams... Pick Ngata instead of Whitner... Keep Jason Peters... Draft Orako instead of Maybin.... WOW!!! Some people seem to think its just an accident the Bills suck or maybe just bad luck. The fact is they have worked hard to achieve this level of futility. Success is the result of talent and hard work. The Bills organization is a joke starting with the "Hall of Fame" owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxelRipper Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 yes, hindsight is always 20/20. what amazes me is that theres a better punter than moorman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeBillsDrive Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Bills fans can be really ignorant. I can remember year after year hearing Bills fans whining on WGR that Bruce Smith didn't deserve to get into the Pro Bowl because he got less than a sack per game or because he didn't lead the league in sacks. With regard to Peters and McKinnie, everyone expects them to never be beaten for a sack and they rush to count sacks against them whenever remotely possible, etc.. Reality is that it's all relative, and most of the haters are people who don't know the game or don't know the OTHER players. Bruce wasn't competing against Deacon Jones and Joe Greene. He was the best in the AFC at the time, and in retrospect we almost universally appreciate that. Why can't it be more appreciated while they are playing? Bitterness? Denial? And some StadiumWall posters like The_Philster even believe Peters was the worst Left Tackle in football. Is he Miami's Jake Long? Debatable. But is he the worst in the NFL? Let's bring some sanity to these blogs. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?...t&p=1682101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayFinkle Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 the Pro Bowl is a joke and unfortunately has become more of a popularity contest then anything....Peters making it is comical, his play this year has been average at best So the AFC coaches and players voted him because he was popular. Then he went to the NFC and the NFC coaches and players voted for him because he was popular. He must be one hell of a charismatic guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 thing about McKinnie is this...we had a GM who said that he wouldn't pursue/draft anyone who didn't want to be here...McKinnie made it clear before the draft that he didn't want to come to Buffalo in an interview on Fox Sports Net's Best Damn Sports Show Period Grasping for apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Come on man...just admit that the guy is good and give him his props! Every game I watch of Philly's I am jealous! Sure just like here with the Bills he might get beat once a game and the haters would point that out. But for 99% of the plays he locks his man down one on one on an island and you don't hear from them. Ask Demarcus Ware, Julius Peppers or Osi how hard JP is to beat! Watch the tape; the whole game UNBIAS and then talk. I live in the Philly area and watch most of their games and of course the post game shows later that night and like I said he has looked average at best....dont know what you are watching but he doesnt look any different then he did last year for the Bills. How many games has he come out at some point or another with an injury? He also gets beat more often then he should if he was in fact as good as you think he is (which he isnt). Try talking to Eagles fans and they will say the same thing, he is a dog and was simply out to get paid. I guess you missed Dumervil go right by him and cause a fumble on McNabb this weekend (one example). Guess you didnt watch that tape. Peters gets beat regularly but gets saved a lot by McNabbs ability to avoid the rush. Id be surprised if he went one game where he didnt get beat badly or come out for an extended period of time due to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 You want to know what's sad? If you took a poll on this board pre-draft on each of those decisions, the vast majority here would have made the right decision. who's to say that our braindead coaches would have put them in a position to succeed? Really, a lot of getting players to that level is developing the talent you do have, as well as identifying the talents that could help us most. I know MW was not the most popular guy here, but possibly under the right coaching, he could have succeeded. There are many woulda-coulda-shoulda scenarios. Hell, if the Colts would have picked Kelly, Marino, Blackledge, O'Brien, or Eason, they may have had a QB and may still be in Baltimore. I will agree that our college and pro scouting dept's need to be revamped, as risks like McCargo, McBadknee, and Roscoe were completely unneccessary picks. In addition, pickup like Larry Tripplett, Melvin Fowler, Tutan Reyes, Dave Moore, Eddie Robinson and Chidi Ahanotu were all pretty pathetic pickups. So Guy and Modrak must go, and the new crew must have fortune of having coaches that are able to develop the talents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Aaron Maybin didn't make the Pro Bowl? That's bulls**t. No doubt. How do you keep the best pass rushing specialist taken in the draft out of the Pro Bowl? I mean this guy has the quickest first step in the history of organized football. He strikes fear into every quarterback he faces and keeps offensive coordinators awake at night worrying about game planning around him. He is worth every penny that he held out for during training camp and the fact that he wasn't selected is one of the biggest Pro Bowl snubs of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 who's to say that our braindead coaches would have put them in a position to succeed? Really, a lot of getting players to that level is developing the talent you do have, as well as identifying the talents that could help us most. I know MW was not the most popular guy here, but possibly under the right coaching, he could have succeeded. There are many woulda-coulda-shoulda scenarios. Hell, if the Colts would have picked Kelly, Marino, Blackledge, O'Brien, or Eason, they may have had a QB and may still be in Baltimore. I will agree that our college and pro scouting dept's need to be revamped, as risks like McCargo, McBadknee, and Roscoe were completely unneccessary picks. In addition, pickup like Larry Tripplett, Melvin Fowler, Tutan Reyes, Dave Moore, Eddie Robinson and Chidi Ahanotu were all pretty pathetic pickups. So Guy and Modrak must go, and the new crew must have fortune of having coaches that are able to develop the talents Perhaps our coaches wouldn't be braindead if they had talent to work with. Mularkey and Williams must be really lucky outside of Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 They wouldn't be if they played on this team Do you really think that the Redskins are so much better than us that they make Orakpo that much better than he would be here? Seriously? And why wouldn't Peters make the Pro Bowl in Buffalo? He did it twice already in Buffalo. Have to disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 You want to know what's sad? If you took a poll on this board pre-draft on each of those decisions, the vast majority here would have made the right decision. Yeah, I seriously think you're right about this. The boards loved Ngata and Orakpo. The Peters thing might have been close after the Russ press conference where he slammed him. All the others, though, definitely would have been made corrreclty. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Perhaps our coaches wouldn't be braindead if they had talent to work with.Mularkey and Williams must be really lucky outside of Buffalo. Ouch. Your post hurt something deep inside me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I don't know how Peters did over the last 6-7 games but he was terrible the first half of the season. Actually, he was outright sensational the first six games or so till he got hurt. Then he dropped from the #2 tackle in the league, including all right and left tackles, down to 14th out of 76. He has slowly gotten better again as he got healthier. http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?...p;playerid=2148 You can really see the numbers change as he fought injury and then recovered. The whole "Peters is doing badly" thing at the beginning of the year was almost totally on these boards. It was really funny because every Sunday you'd see threads saying "Peters has allowed two sacks," but after the games, the folks who analyzed film found him guilty of one total sack in all the games before the injury (again, check the link above). You would have thought it was ten if you believed the threads here. Again, right up until the injury, he was ranked #2 out of 78. Sorry, I didn't want to hijack the thread. The overall point that we could have had several pro bowlers with a few different decisions, and that the majority of fans would have made the right decision in almost all of those cases, is really important, though really depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Hopefully that conditional pick jumps up real high after Peters made the Pro Bowl. Is it conditional? Wikipedia (and yeah, I know, Wiki is far from perfect) has it as: "#28: Philadelphia → Buffalo (PD). Philadelphia traded the 2009 first-round selection it acquired from Carolina (28th overall, used to select Eric Wood), its 2009 fourth-round selection (121st overall), and its 2010 sixth-round selection to Buffalo for Jason Peters.[source 9]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft#cite_note-22 I've never heard anything about it being conditional. I think it's just a sixth-rounder. Hope that's wrong, but I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 No doubt. How do you keep the best pass rushing specialist taken in the draft out of the Pro Bowl? I mean this guy has the quickest first step in the history of organized football. He strikes fear into every quarterback he faces and keeps offensive coordinators awake at night worrying about game planning around him. He is worth every penny that he held out for during training camp and the fact that he wasn't selected is one of the biggest Pro Bowl snubs of all time. Well, ... he did have one good pass rush last Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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