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As much as I would like to see a stud LB next to Kiko, I definitely feel some needs on Offense trump LB...Especially a stud TE, top WR, or an upgrade along the O-Line...I would not be devastated if the Bills went D in the 1st round...I would be surprised though...

At his salary the Bills wont get squat for him in return...Stevie is all but on this team through 2014 at the very least...I think that's an easy assumption... But who knows? It really comes down to how much Hackett and Marrone like the guy...I still believe he can be a good piece of a quality Offense...We'll see...

Exactly...

It depends... I'm not sure I could pull for the Toronto Canadians or a team that did not have the running Buffalo logo...That logo means a lot to me to be perfectly honest...Replace it with a Maple Leaf, or whatever, and I'm out... I'm becoming a Panthers fan anyway...So I would probably follow them...They are my 2nd team now...I lived in Charlotte for 20 years, they have an exciting young QB, a Defense that is just nasty at Home, and at least they seem to have an understanding about how to re-build...

This is exactly what really happened...I watched that replay about 10 times after the game to try and understand what happened and if the call was justified...Robey definitely grabbed out in response to being pushed back...If anything Robey was in the better position to play the ball when the contact initiated...On top of it, from where the Ref was standing it's hard to imagine he could have seen the grab by Robey anyway...Maybe he did...I don't know...I agree with Barber...In that situation when you have two players fighting for position on what is basically a jump ball the ref should have just swallowed the flag...Robey made his biggest error by clinging up to the WR with the ball in the air instead of locating the ball at that time and just knocking it down...That led to the WR pushing him, which led to his grabbing... Robey seemed to be the one in better position to play the ball, but he tried to blanket the WR first, probably to wall him off...Then he got pushed, then he grabbed the WR, and the rest is history...

I'm pretty sure they already have a "never quit mentality..."I don't think that's the issue with this team at all...In fact I don't think that has been the issue for the majority of the past 14 seasons combined...Unfortunately, to go along with that "never quit," they also have a "usually lose" mentality...And breaking that is going to take a lot more than just hard work...It's going to take actually stepping up and winning the games that are winnable the majority of the time...It's going to take the mentality that we need to play like we're down by 14 when we're up by 14...It's going to take a killer instinct that has been extinct within this organization for a long, long, time now...Not just playing hard and never quitting...Like Marrone put up on the wall...Don't confuse effort with results...That goes for now, or in the future...This team is a bunch of losers until they prove they can win...That's really all there is to it...

Totally agree...Hopefully he'll get quicker with his eyes and anticipation in time...But as Rookie QB's go he is better than average...There really can't be much logical debate about that...He'll need to get a lot better...Like 99.99999% of Rookie QB's before him...

Well...The Defense is definitely not a monster...I made the mistake of assuming they may have turned the corner this season...But after watching them today vs a real NFL QB I realize I was wrong...It was wrong to hope...They have a mile and a half to go on Defense...They are habitual underachievers as a group...And once again a Defense that is supposed to have one of the best D-Lines in the league got absolutely gashed at times by the 31st...That's right...The 31st ranked run offense in the league...This Defense is no monster...It's not the least bit scary...They can rush the Passer...And that's about all they do with any consistency... And while you make logical points, I don't think history is on your side with these predictions...The Bills have had talent over the past 14 years...Some years more than others...But there is one thing they had in common every one of these 14 years...They find ways to lose winnable games...It may be different ways from week to week or year to year...But they find a way...And finding a way to lose is what this Franchise does better, and with more year in and year out consistency, than any other team in the NFL... 14 years of consecutive history says you're probably going to be wrong on this...But what the heck...I still hope you're right...

Cool...

I really don't get this comment... He's a rookie QB, and if you made a list of the players responsible for this crap loss, EJ would be close to the bottom...He lead an Offense that scored 31 points and should have had at least 34...He threw a nice deep pass to Goodwin on the sidelines, Goodwin gets interfered with, and for whatever reason the Ref ate his flag...That could have gone for 6 easy...He throws two nice passes to Stevie and Chandler and they fumble...The Bills could have scored 50 points this game with a couple more good breaks... Get off EJ...He's a rookie that missed most of training camp and four games this season...He's going to struggle at times...That's what young QB's do...He's got a QB rating over 80 as a Rookie and that is not bad at all in this league...In fact if EJ were to finish this season with his current QB rating (82) it would actually put him in good company...You loving Luck and Griffin this year? Young QB's struggle at times...It's going to happen...Peyton Manning had a 71.2 QB rating as a rookie...Luck was at 76.5 last year...Griffin is 81.8 this year...Again...Young QB's are going to struggle at times...That's just about a guarantee... EJ threw the pass to win us this game and Stevie coughed it up...Give the kid a break...

After today's game it's hard to argue this point... This definitely looked like the same old Bills...And seeing as though this was week 13 vs a 2 win team...It's VERY discouraging...

They are great, if not the best team in the league at finding ways to lose...On both sides of the ball...They find a way...They always find a way...

Exactly...The Defense had their share of responsibility for this loss...No question...

Oh God NO!!!

Exactly correct!!!

They'll lose more than they win because this team is good at losing and not so good at winning...

I've been a fan for 43 years now...43 freaking years... But this loss tested every bit of my loyalty to this team...I'm just worn out and tired of games like this...They take a 7 point lead with 12 minutes left in the game, and get the ball back 3 more times in regulation...Still, they can't put the game away on Offense or Defense...Then they fumble again and blow it in overtime... This is the Buffalo Bills folks...They are a cursed team...That's all there is to it...

I can't believe how bad the end of that game went...I can't believe what just happened...

You seriously have got to be kidding me...

Just terrible there on Offense...You can't buckle down and run the ball on this Defense? And I know CJ is having a big game...But I want Freddie in there on the 4 minute drive...He's the grinder...

Well...It's our Offense vs the 25th ranked D in the league on this drive to put this game away...

Need another stop D...Come on now...

They could have put the game away on that drive...Instead they give it right back...Can't waste stops by this D today...

I seriously don't understand the no call there on Goodwin...I watch a ton of NFL football every week...The DB is pawing at him with the ball in the air...He did enough to get Goodwin off balance...That's PI in this league... Just went back and watched it again...The DB actually got both hands on Goodwin's shoulder when he turned back to locate the ball...That was PI all the way...

Looking like the 2012 Defense again...Swiss cheese...