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Week 2: Panthers' Game Preparation - Inactives Announced
Cash replied to 26CornerBlitz's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Based on that description, I had to click on that link, and it didn't disappoint. No need for sound - the look on McDermott's face said enough. They might as well call it "Contractually Obligated Coffee With the Coach". Could we get some Bills-blue full body paint for the game? -
I think you probably hit the nail on the head with your line that McDermott "believes in process over talent." And that worries me. Because while I think that's true to some extent, I worry that McDermott thinks that if everyone fully believes in wrestling mats and camo hats, it will turn Ramon Humber into Lavonte David. The wrong culture/leadership can ruin even the most talented team. But even the best possible process needs a certain level of talent to work out. My concern is that, if the team does terribly this year, it will be even harder next year to get guys to "buy in". No one wants to hop on board a sinking ship. On the flip side, if the team looks good this year, it'll be easier to get guys to buy in next year, and success can breed success. The other thing that concerns me is that this roster has basically no young talent to build around. This year's draft picks, sure, but every team has a full draft class right now - that's no advantage for us. Most of our younger players are either terrible, unproven, or in the last year of their contract. I guess our "young core" would be next year's draft, but only if we don't package those picks to move up for a QB. (I hope we don't.) In some ways, it seems to me like we're in Year Zero of a rebuild. I think you probably hit the nail on the head with your line that McDermott "believes in process over talent." And that worries me. Because while I think that's true to some extent, I worry that McDermott thinks that if everyone fully believes in wrestling mats and camo hats, it will turn Ramon Humber into Lavonte David. The wrong culture/leadership can ruin even the most talented team. But even the best possible process needs a certain level of talent to work out.
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So how much did Gillislee help the Pats*** last night?
Cash replied to eball's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Totally agree. Surprising that they went with the same (or very similar) call both times. The TD runs looks more like off-tackle, which is where the RB can provide more value IMO. Great job by the Chiefs' D. They clogged the A gaps to prevent the sneak, and then the Patriots just ran directly into the clogged area. Still, you'd expect any O-line to let the RB get to the line of scrimmage and fall forward. Agree with this as well. Beast Mode is about the only guy I can think of who might've picked up those first downs. I think he got one for us in his first ever game, if I recall correctly. Lost his hat on the play. -
What would the Bills have to do against the Jets....
Cash replied to GunnerBill's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Something like a 42-3 win, with the offense moving the ball and scoring at will, would make me really re-think things. The Jets are really, really bad overall, but I think they'll still have at least a pretty good D this year, even without Sheldon Richardson. And I'm very worried about our O. So if we look like worldbeaters, I'll feel like maybe there's something there, even though it's "just the Jets". Defensively, there is absolutely nothing the Bills can do to raise my expectations. They could stop every play for a loss and/or force a turnover every play and it wouldn't move the needle at all. Now, if the Jets come out and score 20+ or put up like 400 yards of offense, I'll actually get really worried about our D. I expect us to win something like a 13-7 game. Maybe a long Bilal Powell run is the only offensive touchdown. -
Companies do typically have a public Vision Statement and Mission Statement, which detail broadly what they want to do and how they want to do it. To me, that's analogous to "the process", except that companies actually write a mission statement. McDermott is essentially telling everyone to trust his mission statement, but he hasn't (to my knowledge) actually written one. The stuff you're referring to would be more analogous to valuable players under contract or gameplans. If McDermott leads us to perennial success, I won't care that he's a pile of nothing, but until I see results, I'll be skeptical.
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Good article by Rodak - pretty good to see our disparate moves laid out like that. I don't think the Bills are tanking. But I'm not sure what they are doing. (Side note: a lot of posters and media have said that the Bills have a plan, but no one's ever spelled out what the plan is, especially not the Bills. I still want to know what "the process" actually is.) Usually when a team is rebuilding, they cut expensive older players and bring in a ton of young players. The Bills haven't done that yet. They have the 3rd or 4th oldest team in the NFL (Rodak's article sez 4th oldest starting lineup; I've seen 3rd oldest roster elsewhere) - that usually would suggest a team built to win now without worrying about the future. Most of the players they've recently gotten rid of were 25 or under - these are guys that generally get better in the next couple years. I think some of those (Darby, Ragland) were mostly about scheme fit, but it's still a little odd to see a 32-year-old kicker signed, a 31-year-old center extended (especially after matching an offer sheet for his young backup), etc. Move-by-move, I don't have a lot of problems with what the Bills have done. I think letting Gilmore and Woods walk were both correct decisions. I think the Darby trade was a nice haul for a guy who doesn't really fit your system. I don't really like the Watkins trade, but intellectually I think it was probably the right call. But so far, the individual moves don't really look like part of a greater plan to me. If you know you're going to let 2 talented starters walk in free agency, then maybe wait a year to go splurging on kickers and terrible OGs, so you can get a bonus 3rd and 4th round pick next year. We'll see. Barring a historically embarrassing performance, I do think that Beane/McDermott should be given 4+ years to try to make this work. I'm sick of losing talent because it doesn't fit the scheme, or because a guy "didn't buy in". Give McBeane's vision (if they have one, beyond saying "the process" a lot) time to succeed or fail on its own merit.
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Extreme Moneyball - Bills version
Cash replied to IgotBILLStopay's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
I do think that there's cases of outright incompetence - Matt Millen comes to mind - but once your scouts/GM hit a certain level of quality, I wonder if it basically just tops out? The analytics on this are far from perfect, but the ones I've seen suggest that maybe no one really has a long-term scouting advantage, and "great drafters" are a combination of luck and having a lot of high picks. I wonder if there's just X% uncertainty in player scouting, and the best you can get is 100-X% sure of anyone? Is it actually possible to know before the draft whether Sammy Watkins or Odell Beckham will be better, or can you just guess right? Anecdotal evidence: Donahoe and Modrak had amazing drafts in Pittsburgh for while, then the quality fell off once Modrak left. Must be that Modrak was the great talent evaluator. But Donahoe's first draft with the Bills was by far his best, and they sharply fell off once Modrak joined him in Buffalo the following year. Did Modrak lose his ability to scout, or was it that Donahoe/Modrak got lucky with a few drafts and unlucky with a few others? -
Bills rank #5 in Home Field advantage
Cash replied to Bray Wyatt's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Any idea why the Bills dropped from 3.7 to 3.5 in the "current stadium" list? Could be that Barnwell messed up, I think. Or maybe he's counting some of the renovations as a "new stadium"? Anyway, pretty interesting read - thanks for posting! -
Bills signed Eric Wood to two year extension
Cash replied to Kelly the Dog's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Same here. Plus, $8mil/year for a C in his 30s seems like a lot - does anyone think he would've gotten that much as a FA? I think there's 2 main possibilities for what the Bills are doing: 1.) They're acting haphazardly with no real plan 2.) They're trying to sell tickets/keep the team "competitive" in the short term, even though they are mostly building for the long term. Still doesn't explain why you'd give market value contracts to guys like Hauschka and Wood, but does explain why you'd trade Watkins and Darby. They presumably think that Watkins isn't worth the money he'll get in the market, so they're getting something for him rather than letting him walk for nothing. Darby doesn't seem like a fit for the scheme, so not part of the long-term team building vision. Best to get something of value for him while you can. I'm leaning more towards #1 so far, but my mind isn't made up. I also don't understand why you bring back Tyrod only to put him in an offense that downplays all of his strengths and emphasizes all of his weaknesses. There are much cheaper ways to get terrible QB play. -
well...forget about that 3rd round comp pick
Cash replied to John from Riverside's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
I agree with all of this, to an extent. (Given that McDermott and Beane worked together in Carolina, and there were tons of reports that Beane would be the guy to replace Whaley, I think they're probably more in sync than most of the GM/HC combos we've had.) I firmly believe that the Bills won't cut enough qualifying free agents to earn any comp picks next year. But if they do, then yes - clearly Beane's hire had an impact on the FO's overall thinking. -
well...forget about that 3rd round comp pick
Cash replied to John from Riverside's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
That is true. But I've read about a dozen articles following Beane's hiring about how in lockstep Beane/McDermott/the whole FO is, and how the Bills as an organization finally have a common vision that everyone is working towards. So if the argument is, "nothing that happened pre-Beane can be held against the current FO", I'm not buying it. -
well...forget about that 3rd round comp pick
Cash replied to John from Riverside's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Fair point - it's possible that the FO has decided to take a different tack. But if so, it's still concerning that they went through the entire FA period with a "win now with lots of budget veterans" mindset before pivoting. Even at the time, it made no sense. You probably couldn't trade our entire free agent class for a 3rd and 4th round pick, and certainly couldn't get either of those for combined haul of Ducasse, Davis, Holmes, and Hauschka. Thus far, only Hauschka looks like a decent signing, but I don't see how that helps us. If the FO is throwing in the towel on this season, do we really want a reliable kicker? Isn't it better for the "process" to lose that 13-10 game instead of win it? I'm not really sure what McDermott's "process" is, but I won't be on board with it until it leads to wins. -
Philly Brown Andre Holmes Zay Jones Jordan Matthews Brandon Tate Walt Powell Yikes.
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well...forget about that 3rd round comp pick
Cash replied to John from Riverside's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
I'll take that bet. If they really were forward-thinking enough to care about comp picks, why would they sign Hauschka? He's 32 now. Are we planning on him being our kicker in 3 years when the team is actually rebuilt? -
I voted for one of the yes options, but I don't have a ton of confidence. I guess it depends on how you define "the future". If it means will they both still be here through the 2019 season, I say yes with confidence. 2021? Maybe, but I can't be so sure any more. I'm not convinced that they will right the ship, although I do think they should get a fair (4 years maybe?) chance to try. A lot of fans and media are praising them currently, saying the Bills finally have a clear plan. We're not accustomed as fans to seeing a plan from the Bills' front office, so that would be great if it's true. And maybe it is, but I'm still not convinced. If you're building for the future and looking to accumulate picks, I don't see why you bring back TT on essentially a 1-year deal. I don't see why you sign a bunch of middling free agents to nullify potential 3rd and 4th round comp picks. And I especially don't see why one of those free agents is a 32-year-old kicker. If we're focused on the future and rebuilding, who cares if we lose a couple games due to missed FGs? Do we think the kicker needs a year or two to "gel" with the team before he can be good? Now, if those free agents turn out to be great signings, then great! That's worth forgoing the comp picks for. But from all the camp reports I've read, Ducasse is as bad as most of us thought, and Andre Holmes has been one of the worst WRs in camp. And I don't care if Hauschka makes every kick this year - I'd rather have a 3rd round pick in 2018 and a random kicker. And DiMarco is a fullback - probably the least impactful position in the modern NFL.
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Who on the Bills' current roster do you see as likely being a quality starter for the Bills in 2019 or 2020? There's certainly more that could be, but here's the ones I think are likely (current age in parentheses): DT Marcell Dareus (27) FB Patrick DiMarco (28) OT Cordy Glenn (27) S Micah Hyde (26) DE Shaq Lawson (23) CB Tre'Davious White (22) Honorable mention: Zay Jones, whom I see as about a 50/50 prospect. I'm not sure where I'm going with this. Just got to thinking about it after we traded away 2 players that would've been on the list 6 months ago. (Once we declined Sammy's option, it became much less likely he'd still be on the team in 2019.) I guess if I have a takeaway, it's that maybe they should use all those high picks next year to add more foundational players, rather than spend them trading up for a QB.
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Precisely. What reason have they given me to trust them? So no, I don't trust them. I also don't actively distrust them - yet.
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Serious question: Is this the beginning of a tank?
Cash replied to Heavy Kevi's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Why would you sign a 32-year-old kicker to a big $$ deal if you're tanking?!?!?! And why would you redo Taylor's contract instead of just cutting him before the extension kicked in? I don't know if this team is bad at tanking, or so bad at trying to win that it just looks like they're tanking. Having said that, I do think they got good value in the Darby trade. Mathews doesn't suck, and neither does a 3rd round pick. -
NFL Rule Changes for Regular Season OT & Injured Reserve?
Cash replied to 26CornerBlitz's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Yeah, college OT is the worst. Current NFL OT is just about perfect. I have no concern about shortening the OT one way or another. If they do it, it would be interesting to see if there are more ties. And what's so bad about a tie anyway? It's worse than a win, but better than a loss. In a 16-game season, one extra win (or loss) is often the difference between playoffs or not, or home field or not, or a bye or not. It's pretty harsh to have all that come down to who's better at 2-pt conversions. Besides, if you get rid of ties, we can't criticize coaches for playing too conservative in OT any more. That's about the only change I'd be cool with. I still prefer the current system, but that would be okay. You'd have to write it so that a kick return counts as an offensive possession. -
Ha! I laughed. As for Barnidge at TE, I'm all for it, because I've heard of him. Anyone know if he can block and/or play on the line? He's 6'5", 247 lbs., which could go either way. If he can play on the line, then it's great, because he'd serve as both depth in case Clay gets hurt (likely), and a potentially dangerous matchup in 2-TE sets. If he's only more of an H-back type, then he'd lose the depth appeal, but probably still worth it. It seems like we're on our 3rd or 4th straight O-coordinator who says he loves TEs and multi-TE sets, yet our TEs have been some of the worst in the league for years. Clay is fine, and Chandler was basically fine before him, but who's the last decent backup TE we had? McKellar? Potential negatives for signing Barnidge: He's already 31 - maybe he's losing athleticism or his body is starting to break down. He did nothing his first 6 years in the league, then came out of nowhere to put up monster numbers in 2015. Last year his numbers were okay, but a huge nosedive from 2015 - maybe he's turning back into a pumpkin? Barnidge has interest from multiple teams, so he won't be signing a super-cheap deal. I'm sure he won't break the bank, but it's still possible given the above doubts that he'll make more than he's worth. All in all, I think it's absolutely worth going for him.
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Bills Claim CB Charles James From Waivers
Cash replied to 26CornerBlitz's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Hmm, that makes some sense. The only reasonable explanation I've seen for why Overdorf is still around. You still can't have garbage at CB. The Panthers' D played a lot better with Josh Norman than without. We had a very bare cupboard at CB coming into the draft, since you play 3 more than half the time and 4 a fair amount of time as well. I'm glad they didn't take Lattimore at 10 - I'd rather have a guy who projects to be solid, plus a 2017 3rd and 2018 1st, than a guy who *could* be elite but probably will just be solid. -
NFLPA to focus on marijuana for therapeutic reason
Cash replied to papazoid's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
I stopped reading after the first word. Good to know you agree with everything teef says. I stopped reading after the first letter. B is a pretty good grade, but if you really applied yourself, you might be able to get an A! -
Bills Claim CB Charles James From Waivers
Cash replied to 26CornerBlitz's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Serious question: who is making these transactions? We didn't just fire Whaley, we fired the entire pro personnel department. So I guess it's either McDermott or Overdorf or Brandon? -
Bills Decline 5th Year Option on Sammy Watkins
Cash replied to 26CornerBlitz's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
That's some very interesting outside-the-box thinking. I don't really see it playing out that way, but it's not crazy. In this (unlikely) scenario, we would actually be better off, because Sammy's deal would set the market for OBJ, Evans, and Benjamin, rather than Sammy('s agent) insisting he make more than all of the above because he was drafted higher. Wow, a legitimately good post from Rodak - good for him! The trade possibility is somewhat interesting. I'm rarely in favor of tanking, but if we start out really bad next year - like 0-4 or 2-5 or something - I'd be fine with benching Tyrod for Jones and/or Peterman and potentially trading Sammy. (And potentially anyone else with value in the last year of his deal, although that's a short list - maybe Wood, maybe Kyle Williams, maybe Preston Brown) We'd wind up with probably a top 5 pick in hopefully a good QB year. If it becomes clear that the team or Sammy or both don't want him back in 2018, whether to trade him or let him walk really depends on 2 factors: 1.) What can you get for him? 2.) Do you plan to be aggressive in free agency? Rodak correctly points out that we'd be in line for a 3rd or 4th round comp pick for letting him walk, but didn't mention that we only get that pick if we have a net loss of qualifying free agents. For example, we would've gotten a 4th next year for losing Gilmore this year, but we won't, because we signed more free agents than we lost. So if you're going to be active players in FA, you might as well trade him for whatever you can get. But if you're going to sit tight and try to develop your draft picks faster via more playing time, then you wouldn't trade him unless you can get a 3rd or better.
