FloridaSnow

Yes, if we bring in a veteran back up to go along with Fitz and Brohm. We could really use the extra picks on our line so that whoever throws the ball doesn't get annihilated. The biggest advantage of the Brohm addition was that it gave us this leeway. However, this is a very deep draft at the QB position, so if one of the good QBs is still on the board in round three or early in round four, we should probably draft him.

I would say that I cannot say where "the line," as you call it, should be drawn nor would it be right for me to pretend that I am able or empowered to make such delineations. It is easy to play in extremes. For example, where would you draw the line when it comes to crimes that are excusable. Is stealing a car forgivable? Is robbing someone forgivable? Is killing someone forgivable? Does it depend on the reasons these actions are committed (war, self-defense, hunger, revenge). We live in a complex world that we pretend is simple and clear cut but which can only be made to appear so by playing in moral extremes. I would find it hard to forgive the actions you list but I will also not pretend that I have some sort of pure insight into whether the actions are beyond redemption. I can't even fathom the amount of remorse someone who would be able to perpetrate such actions would need to feel in order to fully grasp the horror of not simply the crimes but of having committed them. I can tell you that any moral framework that considers itself to be beyond question and denies the possibility of redemption will create a world in which immoral actions must be committed to maintain the structure. Ask our friends in the Middle East or our medieval ancestors how such societies work out. See, there I go playing in extremes. You're right, I tend to skirt the difficult issues but both of us are guilty of this. In short, to go back to my initial point, I am always happy when "the filth," as someone referred to them earlier, try to make amends and turn their lives around. P.S. My apologies to the initial poster for participating in the hijacking of his thread.

Where, exactly, did I say all morality is relative and right and wrong are just constructs? The argument behind my post was premised on the existence of some sort of a priori moral framework. The notion of forgiveness, in the Judeo-Christian sense, cannot exist in a paradigm in which morality is inherently relative.

Endzone, I know the second comment was directed at someone else but I'm going to respond to both. I believe that filth can be cleansed. It may be an idealistic perspective from your point of view and I admit that it sometimes is from mine as well. However, when we deny someone the ability to try and make up for their past mistakes, we cater to the lowest common denominator and ensure that the "filth" will continue to be just that. In fact, we will only have ourselves to blame because it will have been us, from atop our moral pedestal, who told them that is what they were and always will be. I can only hope that you and I are not ultimately held to the same standards.

No offense Red, but it's pretty funny to read this quote from someone whose moniker is also a slang term for a communist . You might even be protesting a bit too much... [glances suspiciously at Red].

It must be difficult keeping your balance way up on that horse.

I heard Shanahan and Lynch insulted Thurman Thomas before the game

It seems like you are correct and all game-worn jerseys are stitched. http://www.nflshop.com/info/index.jsp?cate...p;infoType=info

Dick Jauron would still be the coach and the team would have gotten pounded today.

Agreed, the team should grab whoever is there in the 3rd round or even trade back into the late 2nd round if they believe the price is right. The QB class is simply too deep this year for the team to spend either of their first two picks on one. Anyway, Brohm really brings many of the same things to the table (in terms of having a developmental QB with upside).

Beat me to it Bills Fan

Wow, so much for the Ralph is cheap talk.

Bills win: 28-20 The Jags tend to play down to their opponent's level and the Bills might get a temporary spark from the coaching switch.

+1

I want him gone as much as anyone, but are you saying that you would leave all the money on the table if you were in his position? It's the owners fault for giving him the extension. Besides, if he walks away, I'm sure just as many people jump on him for being a quitter in addition to be being a loser and apply the "total fraud as a man" argument. I know this is very frustrating, but Wilson needs to pull the trigger, though I'm not sure I like any of the possible interim replacement options much either.

No, 7-9 is very reachable. We will probably win the next two games (just to get everyone's hopes up again) and then get blown out but still manage to pick up one more random game later in the year. It's how this team runs under DJ.

Bills finally win a close, good game 27- 26. The Titans drop their game to Jacksonville, though Vince Young makes it close.

Given the the effective performance of our special teams since we switched to Fred Jackson as the KR/PR, they probably want to use him on kick/punt returns so we can get back to doing what we do best when games are on the line.

Edwards has zero value and Parrish has driven his into the ground. Why so eager to trade Whitner for a draft pick? Wouldn't we gain the most by keeping him around and letting them all compete for the job? Then, when the injury bug strikes us hard again next year (as it has for most of the decade), we'll have some good depth.

I think we stick with Fitz for right now. It's nice to not see check downs on almost every play. Fitz has less skill than TE, but he seems to make quicker reads and has more willingness to actually throw the ball to different parts of the field.

Out of curiosity, why do you say that? Isn't the pound one of the more stable currencies around (which, as I understand it, is why the Brits never fully converted to the Euro)?

? Freudian slip? Seriously though, I completely agree with you. If Fitz doesn't pan out, we should probably give Gibran a shot before we give the reigns back to Edwards. Our QB situation looks dark indeed.

I think Garcia is available.

"The one obvious play i remember well was Trent rolling left out of the pocket, T.O. was coming back to the ball, slammed on the brakes and went long, he had about 3 yards on the defender and Trent under threw him and the ball was intercepted" This play was replayed a few times on the television broadcast. If Edwards makes a decent throw, the entire game changes. It is reminiscent of the overthrow he made to TO during the Saints game. If Edwards makes either pass, I think everyone would be relatively happy with him. Unfortunately, he simply does not appear to be a clutch player. Like Jauron, he does just enough to lose a game.