Dr. Who

Do I want to pay a first and third round pick for a 37 year old qb who might be done? Hmm.

Let me see, according to some, the Gmen working out Rosen means we might not even get to take the third round prospect Rudolph at twelve. Does this mean we are trading up to two for Rosen? Or maybe none of it actually implies anything with rational certitude.

I think this is a credible argument. The hypothetical you put together ought to be enough if the Giants are interested in moving #2.

Or some fella made a guess and claimed it was inside info.

Well, maybe he has some of Tom Brady's secret sauce. If he's that good, I'm okay with it, of course.

Good grief, we're going to corner the market on 30 year old rbs and ancient lbs.

If you're waiting for Elway or Luck to justify trading significant resources for a chance at franchise qb, you will wait a long time. Not only are they rare, whoever is bad enough to merit the first pick is surely not going to trade away the pick unless forced as the Colts were with regards to Elway. The top fellas in this draft have enough good qualities to be considered potential franchise guys and that's enough.

I agree with your general point. I don't think this is a particularly deep draft from my reading, but that actually means you should concentrate your resources early in the draft. Regardless, if we don't take a shot at franchise qb this draft, I don't think we ever will.

Trapasso's enthusiasm has caused folks to wonder if he shares an agent with Mr. Rudolph. The Steelers aren't planning on taking Rudolph at #12 overall.

You have wildly overvalued Rudolph.

I understand your reasoning with the Gmen. That is how I would think about it, but a large number of analysts seem to think the Giants are not going to take a qb, so I believe #2 is probably available for the right price. I don't think we are going BPA at twelve. We will take the qb and trade up from #22 if there is someone at lb we really covet. I think it's just as likely we make a small jump from twelve to secure Mayfield, for instance.

I do think that is a plausible alternative strategy. I am assuming Darnold and Rosen will be gone, but it's possible any one of Mayfield, Allen, or Jackson will be there. If Mayfield drops past five, you could make a smaller deal to move up and grab him or wait for Jackson at twelve (I think he will be there.)

I think most people know or suspect that, but this board would be really dull today without this thread. I don't think the Cardinals can really match what we can offer without paying ridiculous amounts from future drafts.

I like Darnold too, in spite of the unorthodox throwing motion and carrying the ball low which makes him prone to fumbling. The latter, I think, you can unlearn and I wouldn't mess with the former, because it works for him. I haven't really considered Darnold, however, because I'm just sure he's going to the Browns at #1 overall.

I'm not really worried about it. I'm more worried about the rather slight frame and injury concerns.

Yes, but Kelly is blue-collar Western Pennsylvania. Rosen might come to like it here, but the sensibility gap is considerably greater.

I don't know anything about these players, but some fellas who seem to know what they are talking about have classified them as poor players. What I meant by desperation, however, was not that it was a move of desperation by OBD, but that a team only plays subpar players when forced to; desperate in that sense. I am fine with signing average players with experience.

It doesn't sound like it is solid OL depth. Bad players with experience are desperation depth.

From what I have read, this is not a particularly deep and talented draft. It actually makes sense to pay a premium for the most important position in sports, though I would not want to trade the 2019 1st because that will be a talented draft, especially at DL.

I honestly don't see how, with our draft capital, we get shut out. If there is a run on qb, you can trade up to 7 and grab the fourth qb on your board, which I doubt is Rudolph. You like him more, so the rationale is less problematic for you. That's fine, of course. Maybe he is better than I think, but I will not be amused.

Nope. Allen and Jackson if you want to take a chance on high ceiling, low floor types. Rudolph at 12 is ridiculous. I don't like him much at all, but if you take him in the first round, you better be taking Roquon Smith at 12 and wait till 22 for your third round level qb.

I am okay with this strategy. I am more inclined to make a small trade up in the seven to ten range if it will ensure getting a qb we are particularly interested in.

Why are we even looking at this fella. I hope the folks have more of a clue when evaluating qb.

I think that is a plausible guess on Elway. Allen scares me. I think he's unlikely to reach his potential. If he turns out well, this would indeed be a great draft for us.

I don't think any rational front office is going to follow the Jets' lead here. Offer a reasonable deal. Overpay some because qb comes with a premium, but if Gmen want the Jets to set the market, I suspect you have to walk away.