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As a counter and if we are using one game as a judge, Spiller had 7 attempts for 6 yards rushing and 4 catches for 8 yards. So, he too wasn't ready for the NFL. So this game by itself does not prove that the Bills made the right call. The question which I struggle to answer is whether any of these latter OTs would have helped the overall offense more than the supposed playmaker CJ. Too early to judge one way or another.

Read all about it here: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/119438-interesting-rumor-on-bbcom-message-board/

Or the explanation can be as simple as Nix & the Bills scouting staff not liking McNabb.

Exactly right and you forgot to add Ralph Wilson specifically also is a cheap, good for nothing, old **** (choose your cheap shot). Last year and I think the year before, there were few to none FA O linemen who could have helped the team. Add to that the ones who left the Bills to have a great career were Ruben Brown, Pat Williams, Antoine Winfield (jury is out on Nate Clements) - few and far in between if I may add. Our fundamental problem has been drafting and keeping the pipeline full. back to your regularly scheduled venom spewing..... So, in short you don't know for sure but the FO sucks anyway ?

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Can you be specific about which OL was available, we courted and who refused to come ?

Me and my Catfish Rising tattoo disagree (and not respectfully so either).

Sadly, I don't think we have a firm answer on the roster. - Urbik played both G and T in college so he is a possibility but we don't know. Plus he is new to the team and hasn't gone through training camp. So it will be a while before he can contribute assuming he is better than Green. - As you stated, we don't know about Howard We may have to live with this situation and plan on sliding extra protection on the right side and on blitz packages, tie up another person (RB) for blitz pickup. Sad as it sounds, we may not have any option. Also, we can only hope that even with max protect schemes, Trent makes better decisions and chucks the ball beyond the marker.

Yea but we get a defensive player from that very same team and I daresay there is much more to gain by us learning their defense than they about our O.

Close on the distance and good on the direction. Would have been good from ~ 55. Best thing I liked was that we at least took that chance to score however slim the possibility of success was.

If I was not a Nix fan till then, that statement instanatly made me one.

As several posters have pointed out elsewhere, the running game will go nowhere without a passing game. Even a semblance of a passing threat can soften defenses. If this type of performance persists, it will re-open the debate about the FO's decision to go BPA versus trade-down for need.

Fair enough. Save for that one drive, you have to admit the offense stunk the entire game. The ST & D were both good but the offense was disgusting. I suppose on average that makes the overall team effort just 'bad'

we have been 'taking away positives' for a decade now. Every team in the NFL can find a way to get positives out of a loss. What does it mean ? If it means we are building towards eventual winning I am all for it. But we keep looking for silver linings but all we get are more black clouds.

Funny ain't it that you can say almost the exact things about the defense and they turned out fine yesterday. We went D heavy in free agency and in the draft but did virtually nothing to upgrade another known failing - the OL. Sure I knew that all problems could not have been fixed in one off-season but I cannot believe that there were zero options to upgrade the tackle positions. We need some semblance of an offense and right now we are down right embarrassing. It is a cop out for the regime to say that we will fix the D this year and concentrate on the O next year. So what is this season - a detour on the way to next season ? Rant over - back to my original point. I realize that the OL sucks but Trent showed nothing yesterday. No attempt to make plays, few throws beyond the first down marker. Even if he tried and failed due to lack of time, I would buy into the logic the the only thing holding him back is the OL.

We can only hope. And some unsolicited advice - please dont get drawn into arguments where posters tend to make personal attacks. It is beneath you to do that and serves no real purpose but aggravation and frustration. I felt your opinion about the Bills vs the Dolphins to be fair - the Bills have done little over the past several years to give any hope. I am in a 'show me' mode - I like what I have seen from the current regime but I am not sure if I am being objective or just a fan with rose colored pupils.

2010 Captains have been named: Trent Edwards, Evans, Kelsay, Stroud, Moorman & George Wilson

True. There was a discussion a few months back regarding restricting posting privileges to new users but I don't think there was a consensus on what and how to implement such rules. The biggest loss I feel is the exit of posters like Lori and Tim Graham due to behavior of some morons. Perhaps matters may come to a head and we will end up with stronger rules and stronger enforcement.

I think thats a result of popularity - you get the good with the bad.

Good idea. I propose we pin this thread for future reference. Also a suggestion is to post link, author, ranking and predicted finish in the body of the thread (should the link cause problems come laugh time in December).

Ooh snap, how did I miss that one ? I need to constantly remind myself that every win is one step away from the top draft pick in 2011

Stretch goals I see and quite noble ones. Good thing we get our hated rivals on day 1. So lets go win this one. Squish the f.... err ..... mammals

Your posts are getting annoying and border on spam. You offer no football thoughts and start new threads with whatever statement comes to your mind. There is nothing original in your threads that deserve a new one. Please stop.

Fair enough but I am not sure we are a team that had the luxury of using 2 years to develop our top picks. Did the previous staff think he was BPA ? If yes, he better make an impact eventually for us. The way we have messed up drafting in the past, we are stuck needing our top picks to contribute very quickly.