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At this point it’s responsible journalism. Do we know whether the person who commuted this murder actually believes those things, or whether the murderer is trying to mislead? I acknowledge that the former is likelier. But it’s fair to wait on the characterization until more is known.

Yeah I agree. This was no rookie. It was a well-planned operation. I hope the person is caught and brought to swift justice. Let them rot in prison for the rest of their natural life. I have no idea how big the blue sky thing is. This website is the extent of my social media involvement. My point remains - there’s jerks on both sides. I agree it’s sad. And it has to stop or this country is going to fracture.

How big is the segment? One can say the same thing about J6. A segment of the population that votes right supported that. So how about this - we all tone it down and stop painting with a broad brush. We either use this heinous act as an inflection point to all be better, or we let it amplify the vitriol and deepen the divides. The choice is ours.

So what if it is? At this point it’s one actor. We have to stop projecting the actions or words of one bad actor (a gross understatement in the instance of this heinous crime) to an entire group.

It’s true. They do. As do democrats. We all have to be better and own what we’ve all done to get to this point. Nobody is without fault.

I disagree. And I also submit that the Twitter post is misleading at best. Here, on this board alone, we’ve seen calls to “round up Democrats” and support for “lock her up.” As far as the political violence piece goes, not only are there no numbers in that post, but I dare say that a large percentage of Republicans support J6, which was probably the worst political violence, not in terms of life and death, but in terms of potential consequence, in any of our lifetimes. We also have these BS “alligator” and “corn” camps that a mass of Republicans undoubtedly support. So this isn’t a “one side is more wrong than the other deal.” Somebody just has to nut up and acknowledge that we’re all wrong, that the degree of wrong at this point is immaterial, and that we have to figure out how to disagree respectfully and cordially again without the vitriol and hyperbole and performative outrage and victimization. We’ve got a good thing going and we Shouldn’t let hurt feelings and largely inconsequential BS mess it up. Again, who is “they?”

So that makes it right to shield a child sex ring? Give me a break. More nonsense vitriol that is unhelpful to this country.

The same problem exists on both sides. Want to call me a pedo because I’m a Democrat, or evil, or a commie, or someone who hates my country, or someone who now should be rounded up, or whatever else it is that is thrown around here and in my real life? I’m going to give you a hard time, and I’m probably not going to want to hang around you. I don’t blame you in the least for how you feel. I get it. If it makes you feel better, while I often disagree with your opinion, I generally respect it. The shoe here is in the left foot, and we all have to be better. It’s time to tone it down, respect others, and simply agree to disagree without all of the vitriol. Who is “you?” A single actor? Or a representative of a large group? Again, comments like yours are part of the problem. Simply not true. Show your cards and give an example.

Nothing I say is hateful. I don't suffer fools, that's for sure, and I give people like you a hard time when you say stupid things like you have this morning. But I am not hateful. And on the "judges" issue, you remain completely wrong.

This comment is part of the problem. Not only is it factually wrong, it’s incendiary. You want to know what a big part of the problem is, from someone who does this every day? Lazy Republican judges taking care of their own. They don’t have to work to get in upstate. They don’t read the law. And the people who practice in front of them are typically Republicans. (Take a look at why the assigned counsel program is going to get trashed in Erie County. It’s because one of the biggest Trumpers I know churned junk files and hit the taxpayers for about half a million this year.). They do their buddies favors to help the practices and to protest the bail laws they don’t like. Of course there are lousy democratic judges in the cities. But to say this is primarily a democratic problem is wrong all the way around.

Wrong on all counts. You’re talking about local and state judges. These aren’t “Soros” people. They’re probably more Republican than they are Democrat. And they are part of the problem.

You’re talking about J6. (Incorrectly, but that’s besides the point.) I’m taking about the July 4,2025 remarks. That’s wrong, and so is the current call to round up Democrats (also on this website). It all has to stop.

New York is probably the most lenient from what I understand. I have my beefs with the law but, insofar as any release of alleged violent criminals is concerned, a lot of it is on the judges.

It's also absolutely premature until LE has a good sense of who is responsible for this murder.

This is what I do every day. You would be very, very surprised. I'm a no BS, direct, straightforward, and moderate person. (And no, I'm not Josh.)

1. Good for you for overcoming and getting out of that BS. Well done, man. 2. You and I agree on violent crime. But we disagree on whether addressing underlying issues can reduce nonviolent crime. Addiction, poverty combined with stupidity, and sometimes just bad hands in life lead to things like petit larceny, CPSPs, drug charges, etc. Those can be stopped before they get worse and mature into more significant criminal activity.

We'll go back to teasing each other soon enough, but your backstory is impressive. Good for you, man. You would be very surprised by who I am in real life, and I really enjoy helping hardworking people who overcome and get things done. Keep it up.

You and I tease each other sometimes, but you're not a scumbag. I agree completely with the last two things you said. And I'm sorry that you had it rough as a kid. Good for you for pulling through.

Trump just needs to STFU for so many reasons. I can't even begin to explain how exhausted I am by him and all of this nonsense. Some poor guy just got his neck blown out for having an opinion. His friggin kids are gonna see that someday. It's horrible. It's time to come together and use this as a way to come together, to disagree respectfully, and to exhibit better behavior and care for one another. Not make it even worse.

Again, who is “they?”

It’s not binary. Street gangs might just be apolitical.

I think everyone needs to take a breath on who is responsible for this and let LE do its job. I remember thinking immediately after Oklahoma City that it was Muslim terrorism. In the next day or so we learned it was a kid from Buffalo. So let’s all let this play out and allow justice to take its course,

Rage is why Dems lost in 2024. They lost the plot. I do believe that MAGA has been doing the same, and this will exacerbate it. What matters isn’t so much the social issues but the ability to live rather than survive. We’re tracking toward dual economies and an inability of the middle class to achieve upward lift because electric bills are too high and food costs too much. That’s not political. It’s reality. And, otherwise, today is a dark, terrible day. Not because I have any affinity (or antipathy) for Charlie Kirk. Frankly I didn’t know much about him before today. But because everyone should be able to speak their mind without fear of retribution or the friggin death penalty. I don’t care much for some of what I understood him to have stood for, but I’m shaken by his murder. Nobody deserves this, and we all have to be better to each other. It’s very, very wrong.

This is very, very misleading. New York State has some bad bail laws. (And this is a Democrat saying this.) But those laws are not remotely close to "easy bail" or "no bail" for dangerous people. If you say otherwise, you don't know what you're talking about or you're intentionally misleading. The dialogue with bail, frankly, is part of this problem of misleading toxicity. I don't like the bail laws. I think there's not enough discretion for judges. But they're not anywhere near the blight that too many people have made them out to be. Candidly, Kathy Hochul was totally right about this in the recent article in the Buffalo News about this issue. We need better judges who spend time reading those laws and know how to use them. (Some of the worst offenders in that respect that I know, and I do this all the time, are Republicans.)

Yeah this rhetoric definitely is not part of the problem.